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Help - Dad is an alcoholic, don't know where to turn

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Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 20:32

My DB called me this morning to talk about my dad. At first I didn't understand what he was on about, as apart from the fact that dad's getting a divorce and drinks too much, I've kind of been out of the loop for a couple of days. Anyway things are so much worse than I'd imagined.

Apparently DSM has reached then end of her tether with their marriage after my dad has been drunk for the last two weeks and spent that time following her round, verbally abusing her. Things reached a head on Tuesday, after she visited a solicitor, when he was so abusive and out of it that she called the police. He was arrested for breach of the peace and removed from the house. She asked them about having him sectioned but apparently they won't section drunks. She asked them not to take him to my DB's house but that's where they took him.

He arrived at DB's with a dressing gown and a bottle of wine. DB took the wine off him, but said he was raging, steaming and incoherent. DB put him to bed and the next morning he woke DB up and asked for an ambulance. He was taken to hospital where he was diagnosed with a burst and bleeding ulcer.

Dad has been in there ever since. Apparently he is in full-on detox now, shaking, swearing, trying to find more alcohol and hallucinating. He was trying to discharge himself so he could go for a drink and they've had to sedate him to keep him in. DB says he's never seen anything like it.

Poor DB has a poor relationship with dad anyway, as dad was dreadful to him after our mum died (DB was 13) and he's now said he can't have dad staying with him in this state - he only has a one bed place and has enough problems of his own that he's trying to work through.

None of our family are prepared to help. They've washed their hands of dad, and none of them have ever offered DB or me any support. DB was so apologetic about talking to me (I'm 7 months pregnant and have had a tough pregnancy) but he didn't know what to do. We talked about talking to the hospital about getting dad a mental health referral and discussing where to go with social services. DB said he'd pick that up with them.

I then phone my DSM I have to say I ended up feeling so sorry for her. She's been trying to deal with this by herself for the last 8 months and she's now come to the conclusion that she needs him out of her life. She feels like she's lost her husband, her companion and her chance of a happy retirement. She said she hadn't called me as she didn't want me to get stressed about it, but she sounded a total mess. She doesn't appear to have totally washed her hands of him, but he can't go back there as she's frightened of him and the police have told her not to let him in. Anyway, she called hospital and talked them through what we think needs doing, i.e. we want them to refer him to mental health and social services, as he can't go to either her or DB's when he comes out, and she says they agreed but only after some persuasion.

I'm fucking furious with my dad. He has been a useless father and I have learned to be self-sufficient and suddenly here we are with a 60 year old toddler to deal with. DP is away - I feel lost!

Does anyone have any experience or advice that might help? Dad is currently refusing to admit he has a problem. Apparently he just 'enjoys a drink' and doesn't see anything wrong with the fact that he's destroyed his marriage, made himself unemployable (he hasn't worked since October), probably drunk driven his way round town and alientated his children (to be fair he alienated us 20 years ago when mum died and he remarried after 6 months to a woman who didn't want us around) to the point where neither of us want to see him. We really are in the dark about options or help that we might be able to get him.

If you've made it to the bottom of this thanks.

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barking · 20/06/2008 22:19

Hope things are more peaceful for you this this weekend. Babies and mummies need lots of rest, calm, chocolate, laughter and massage!

Sorry - I'm sure you will be supportive to your dsm and db, just that with alcoholism there is no real walking away from it as it affects and rips apart so many peoples lives.

Like you say you can't force him to change, some people don't want to 'get better'. At this stage deep down he probably doesn't think he has a choice. I feel deep down, that everyone at any moment has the capacity to change. You can make your own fate.

The whole thing is just so devastating for families, I really feel for you. You may want to get counselling yourself through this, especially after you've worked so hard to get away from all the pain before.

I guess it doesn't have to be the same as before, I have tried to build a new relationship with my dm, I have always felt the roles are reversed but having had 2 close friends who lost their parents to drink, I felt I had to make peace with myself and her in some way. It's trying to make gain peace for yourself in a very chaotic situation.

Take care x

poppy34 · 20/06/2008 22:23

sunshine - sounds like you're very well placed to deal with things (counselling has defo helped me).

can I just add to barking's suggestion that ice cream and cake can also be most medecinal for pregnant ladies ?

barking · 20/06/2008 22:28

Hi Poppy34 god yes, that has been my staple diet through all 3 pregnancies, I have eaten tubs and tubs of my darling chldren's ice cream The more children I have, the more I hate the tyranny of cooking!
Instant food - fab!

Sunshinemummy · 21/06/2008 10:25

Honestly am not offended by anything anyone has posted here. It all helps, it really does.

Just had text message from DB saying Dad seems to have had a better night but is still confused as to why he's in hospital.

I asked DB if he planned to talk to dad later about what he's doing to himself and how it's impacting everyone else. He said he would but that I shouldn't believe everything that DSM said as she has a lot to gain by Dad losing the plot ! I must admit it made me quite cross. I don't think DSM has anything to gain - she's going to be financially strapped from buying dad out of the house and she's effectively lost a comfortable retirement with a companion she loved. She had no qualms about giving him the half the house he's entitled to. It made me realise how complicit families can be in this whole thing and how, if we're not careful, we'll end up reinforcing Dad's idea that there is nothing wrong with what he's doing.

IMO it's Dad who has everything to gain by dissembling, not DSM.

DP will be home in a couple of hours. Can't wait for a big cuddle!

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Sunshinemummy · 23/06/2008 12:10

Ressurecting this in the hope that someone with some good advice migt be around. Dad has now been in hospital since Tuesday but is still very confused with moments of lucidity. He is adamant that he does not have a problem with alochol and intends to drink as soon as he gets out (claims he enjoys it and a bottle a night is OK!). Most of the time he does not know where he is or why he is in the hospital and he keeps trying to escape. The hospital have sedated him and had security watching him to try and keep him in there.

Despite us asking for both a mental health and social services referral on numerous occasions over the last few days nothing seems to have been done. Last night the hospital tried to release my dad to my DB. DB has no idea how to care for dad and does not know how he can stop dad from drinking. He also only has a one bed flat and says that if dad starts acting crazy again he will have to kick him out, but in the meantime he's happy to offer him a place to stay for a couple of weeks until he sorts himself out.

Does anyone know what we can do? We think dad is depressed and has had a break down which has been exacerbated by the drinking issue, which he has been self-medicating with. We would really like him assessed by a mental health team while he's in hospital as, once he's out, there's no chance of us getting him in front of a medical professional again (apart from if the ulcer starts bleeing again, which drs have said has a 70% chance of happening if he carries on drinking and then has a good chance of kiling him). Hospital seem only interested in treating ulcer rather than other problems.

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Sunshinemummy · 23/06/2008 12:42

Bumping for any advice or help.

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Buda · 23/06/2008 12:53

How horrible for you.

No real advice I am afraid other than the fact that my mum had a stroke a few months ago and unfortunately we didn't realise straight away as she had been ODing on ADs. We spoke to her GP who said that if she wouldn't voluntarily go into a mental health facility then getting her to hosp and mentioning overdose would make them get a psychiatrist involved. This was in Ireland though - am not sure about UK.

Sunshinemummy · 23/06/2008 12:54

Thanks for replying Buda. Voluntary is not an option here I'm afraid.

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woodward · 23/06/2008 12:55

i would demand that he have an assessment by the mental health team before he's discharged. Ask to nurse speak to whoever is in charge..ward manager or nurse in charge. Voice your concerns and tell them how worried you are.

Sunshinemummy · 23/06/2008 13:01

Thanks Woodward. As I'm 7 months pregnant I haven't spoken to hospital directly as I'm trying to keep it at arms length but DB, uncle and DSM all have and have all stressed the need for mental health assessment. So far they haven't done anything, despite seeming to agree each time someone has spoken to them.

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Sunshinemummy · 24/06/2008 11:33

Bumping.

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Sunshinemummy · 24/06/2008 15:52

Bumping again.

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barking · 24/06/2008 19:52

Just caught up with this thread, this happens with hospitals, they just treat the symptoms, not the cause - my dm drank herself into a dvt a few years ago and noone was interested in the why

With your df still at the hospital, it may be worth seeing this as an opportunity...could any of your family be prepared to find the head of mental health services at the hospital and demand he be seen?

How are you in all of this Sunshinemummy?

cafebistro · 25/06/2008 08:15

Hi ( woodward - changed name).Hope you're ok and you've managed to so something out?

Sunshinemummy · 25/06/2008 09:02

Hello - thanks again. Will speak to family (Uncle or DSM probably best bet) and see if they'll do that.

I'm OK. Feeling frazzled and stressed and am struggling to eat but have started to sleep again after initial shock so that's helping. DP wants me to focus on myself and I agree that I need to, but am now dreading the inevitable phone call from Dad and the things I need to say to him. Thanks for asking!

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barking · 04/07/2008 07:35

How are you Sunshinemummy?

Tas1 · 04/07/2008 12:06

Hi, My dad was an Alcoholic, he died at the age of 54 from liver failure.
Speak to his GP. Although the GP cannot discuss your fathers health with you, you can tell him/her of your concerns and ask for advice on getting him into a detox clinic. Until your Dad admits to himself that he has a drink problem, you will find it hard to get him to accept any help.
AA will also be able to give you advice.
Please don't be angry with your Dad, this is an illness and he will be going through hell as well.

My heart goes out to you, I know what you are going through.

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