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I want to warn people about ME/Chronic Fatigue

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OldAndNotWise · 02/02/2024 10:49

I'm a regular poster but I've namechanged for this. I've recently been diagnosed with ME and I'm absolutely devastated but in a sense, it's a relief as it explains what's been happening to me over the last few years.

I can't turn back the clock but I want to warn others about this horrible disease that disproportionately impacts women.

I started feeling tired and under the weather and had numerous illnesses. I never seemed to be entirely well and never felt that I fully recovered. The doctor ran loads of blood tests. At first i was mildly anaemic, had low vitD, slightly low B vitamins and had slightly elevated CRP but this was put down to the fact that I had a viral infection at the time. I fixed all the vitamins but still felt exhausted.

Rather than resting more, I thought I must need to get fitter so tried to fit in a few more sessions at the gym or a few more runs on the days I felt well. I ate better, I lost weight, I was probably, physically, in the best health I had ever been but at the same time I was completely exhausted. This went on for about a year and I couldn't figure out what was wrong. I paid for a very expensive health check that checked everything and nothing came out of it. The doctor who ran the health check asked me if I was 'stressed' because stress can cause multiple viral infections and that run down feeling.

6 months later, I picked up another virus (or so I thought) and couldn't get out of bed. I managed to drag myself to a doctor who said it wasn't bacterial but 2 weeks later I wasn't better and when I went back again, he said 'if you've been like this for so long and you're getting worse, then this is likely to not be what you think'. I asked if he knew someone I could be referred to and I went to see a Long Covid specialist who confirmed that the multiple viral infections were probably not viral infections but signs I was pushing myself too much and this was likely to be ME.

I was bedridden for weeks. And then I started treating it like it was ME. So I had to learn how much energy I had and learn how much I could use each day. I was terrified of losing my job so I didn't tell work but could only manage one day in the office. Luckily no one complained.

It has taken me months to get to a place where I can manage a full day without needing to lie down. There is no cure. There is nothing that can be taken that can treat it that is guaranteed to work. There is barely any research going into the disease. Last week, a young lady killed herself rather than suffer with it (I won't link but if you look, it's on twitter). She isn't the first. This disproportionately impacts women.

What I want to say to you all - if you are tired and there appears to be no reason for it (not your thyroid, not severe vitamin deficiencies, isn't severe anaemia), do not push yourself. Rest, rest and rest some more. It seems totally counterintuitive that you wouldn't try and get fitter and try and get stronger but sometimes you have to stop and stop for some time. You do not want this. I can't walk to the shops, I can't go for a walk. I can't exercise, I can't enjoy anything because I'm exhausted all day, every single day. There is no cure. If I could turn back the clock a few years, I'd tell myself to take a break because maybe I wouldn't have pushed myself over the edge. Who knows. But please be careful!

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RubyTrees · 03/02/2024 18:51

pickledandpuzzled · 03/02/2024 18:17

Presumably they also ask for sex? So gender is so they can address you correctly, and sex is for accurate advice.

No they don't ask for sex - just gender.

BlueSkyBlueLife · 03/02/2024 19:06

@pickledandpuzzled , I’m pretty sure that we can say the autonomic system is involved in ME, regardless on how it started.

If you look at the cell danger response (Narviaux), he is clear that cells react in that way due to many type of ‘insult’. It can be a virus,it can be trauma, it can be things like mould. And actually in a lot of cases, it’s the repetition of insults (often of varying causes) that puts us where we are.

Imo if you are dealing with PTSD and struggling with it, it makes sense to tackle it (and just because of ME).
What I am not sure is, once you’ve reached a level where mitochondria are affected, you have increased inflammation, issues in the blood (red blood cells loosing elasticity) etc etc etc, I’m not sure that just tackling the trauma/PTSD is enough. I think it’s too deep iyswim.

BlueSkyBlueLife · 03/02/2024 19:08

RubyTrees · 03/02/2024 18:51

No they don't ask for sex - just gender.

If you are interested in using the app, I’d recommend you join and then send them a message about it.
They are really lovely, very helpful and try their best to address the many questions sent their way.

Tbh I don’t think the gender/sex question will make a difference on how you use the app and how helpful you will find it.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 03/02/2024 19:28

BlueSkyBlueLife · 03/02/2024 14:21

I’ve had acupuncture and TCM herbs (well still do)
You need to find the right practitioner and they are not all created equal.

One if them kept me afloat for years. When he moved away (to New Zealand), it took me years to find someone to replace him.
Otherwise, yes there is a risk of making someone worse.

Im really sorry this was your experience

I’d been seeing her for 3 years. She was a proper trained Chinese doctor. Worked for ages. Then suddenly went crazy after a couple of sessions.

BlueSkyBlueLife · 03/02/2024 19:40

It’s weird isn’t it?

Tbf I’ve had that with some supplements too. Stuff that wasn’t an issue suddenly becoming one.

pickledandpuzzled · 03/02/2024 21:32

It’s a mystery. I don’t think we know anything like enough about how the body works to dismiss or embrace anything with total certainty.

I’m in favour of a multi pronged approach. I think I have done all that lifestyle changes can do. It’s like there’s a barrier beyond which I can’t progress. I’m so much better than I have been for years and yet…. Only if I live within my limitations. So basically work, pottering around at home.

I do really well as long as I cultivate a slightly vague, que sera sera approach. Anything that involves tension, focus, determination, hurry… lethal.

I am moving on to the polyvagal stuff next. I would love to increase my stamina and get back to my old levels of concentration and focus.

darkmodeera · 03/02/2024 21:47

Thankyou OP and I'm sorry you are struggling so much. I am taking what you have said very much on board 🌸

LambriniBobinIsleworth · 03/02/2024 22:04

It's a terrible disease. I was diagnosed back when they were really pushing "graded exercise". It made me much worse, but it was doctors advice so I kept doing it... looking back it was madness.

TootYourOwnHorn · 03/02/2024 22:51

I'm going through something similar right now. But on top of the exhaustion and fatigue I have a barely functioning left leg, generalised pain and a migraine disorder (which hasn't responded to any medication so far). I've had all the blood tests and they've found nothing. I had a back MRI (for the leg issue, thought slipped disc), they found nothing. Last year I got referred to neurology with the potential risk of MS. My appointment is April 2025. Isn't that an absolute joke? So in the meantime I'm barely living life with 2 children who aren't getting the best of me. I see why people become hopeless.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 03/02/2024 22:56

TootYourOwnHorn · 03/02/2024 22:51

I'm going through something similar right now. But on top of the exhaustion and fatigue I have a barely functioning left leg, generalised pain and a migraine disorder (which hasn't responded to any medication so far). I've had all the blood tests and they've found nothing. I had a back MRI (for the leg issue, thought slipped disc), they found nothing. Last year I got referred to neurology with the potential risk of MS. My appointment is April 2025. Isn't that an absolute joke? So in the meantime I'm barely living life with 2 children who aren't getting the best of me. I see why people become hopeless.

I was referred to neurology in November of 2022. Still haven’t seen them.

Meanwhile my life is shit.

TootYourOwnHorn · 03/02/2024 23:01

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow how are they getting away with it? I want to go back to work, it's so miserable. I hope you get some answers soon.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 03/02/2024 23:16

TootYourOwnHorn · 03/02/2024 23:01

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow how are they getting away with it? I want to go back to work, it's so miserable. I hope you get some answers soon.

Waiting lists. It’s outrageous.

Meanwhile peoples’ lives are being destroyed.

I hope you find answers too.

pickledandpuzzled · 04/02/2024 07:19

That’s awful, I’m so sorry.

BlueSkyBlueLife · 04/02/2024 15:39

I’m sorry to all of you who are still waiting to be seen. It’s crap.

Im so lucky that dh has a private insurance included in his pay package. I think he has had for what? 15 years maybe more. We’ve never used it. Until 1.5 year ago, after I caught Covid and my symptoms got worse. It allowed me to be diagnosed with POTS, get medication etc… and he referred me to an endocrinologist for MCAS and blood sugar issues.
id never would have got those on the NHS. But actually treating the orthostatique intolerance made such a difference! (And as I learnt, was probably there before Covid. Had I been treated then, I might not have become severe and might have been able to carry on working, even if part time).

I know that I am extremely privileged there.
We should NOT be in a 2 tier system like this. It’s not fair and imo counterproductive on all fronts - the person who is unwell, their ability to recover, the financial impact for the whole family. Even at the level of the country, it doesn’t make sense.

I hope you’ll all be seen soon!

BlueSkyBlueLife · 04/02/2024 15:45

LambriniBobinIsleworth · 03/02/2024 22:04

It's a terrible disease. I was diagnosed back when they were really pushing "graded exercise". It made me much worse, but it was doctors advice so I kept doing it... looking back it was madness.

And I’ve met ME sufferers who still believe that GET is what they need to do.

One was telling me how she was failing because she couldn’t do the walking she was supposed to do. 😢😢
And felt awful she wasn’t getting better. That it was all down to her not doing the ‘exercises’.

All because some health care providers told her/them this was THE way to treat ME a few years ago.

Worse thing? Some HCP are STILL recommending graded exercise in one form or the other. For ME but also for LC 😢 It’s like they never learn.

worldwidetravel2017 · 04/02/2024 23:06

I was diagnosed by a rheumatologist consultant privately last year - cost 250 gbp - results were transferred to nhs after.

  • & had help from fatigue servives..

Had ebv / glandular fever in 2022

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