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Anyone seen a 'nutritional therapist'?

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BumperliciousNeedsaGlassofWine · 27/02/2008 20:47

I am thinking of visiting a nutritional therapist for advice on combating feeling a bit down and very tired. Has anyone seen one and can you share your experience? I know some people are a bit dubious as they aren't official health practitioners. What do people think?

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BumperliciousNeedsaGlassofWine · 27/02/2008 22:44

I'm not really looking for a nutritionist for "pill popping" but if my diet/body is lacking in something and I am not getting it from what I eat because I don't like it or because I am too busy with the baby to cook elaborate meals then supplements are useful for exactly that, to "supplement" a diet.

I am not against ADs in principle, I have a masters in Neuroscience so I know about the affects that chemicals have on your body, but I would rather try and stimulate these chemicals naturally than synthetically. Plus you get more side effect from manufactured pills.

I just want to explore other avenues first. I'm not sure what I believe, hence the thread, but my instinct tells me that food can have an effect on your mood, I'm just not sure of the ins and outs beyond what I read in magazines (which obviously make me something of an expert really .

I don't know, I would be interested to hear of others experiences. Thank you for the posts so far.

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moondog · 27/02/2008 22:45

Why do you seem to think that only 'elaborate meals' will give you the goodness you need?

BumperliciousNeedsaGlassofWine · 27/02/2008 22:50

Well, maybe not "elaborate" but more elaborate than the bowl of cereal that I have time to grab before DD goes into meltdown

Ok, that's an exaggeration but I do find it difficult to get the time, esp in the evening as DH doesn't get in till 6.15, which doesn't give me a lot of time to cook, eat and feed the baby before her bedtime. Plus going back to work will be a challenge. The nutitritionist that I am considering offers that sort of advice.

TBH moondog, I am just trying to to find proactive and practical ways in which I can stay in control of my mood. This just feels like I would be doing something proactive.

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edam · 27/02/2008 22:55

Check out Scottishmummy's link on Food and Mood -it's a reputable source.

The warnings about anyone being able to call themselves a nutritionist - or set up impressive sounding 'institutes' or whatever - are accurate.

I'm a bit taken aback that even someone with a masters in neuroscience believes 'natural' is somehow better. There are plenty of natural substances that cause side effects - how about St John's Wort, for starters?

The idea that Holford has single-handedly pioneered the idea that diet has an effect on human beings - while thousands of properly qualified dietitians were, what, napping? - is, um, interesting.

BumperliciousNeedsaGlassofWine · 27/02/2008 22:55

Off to bed anyway. Hope to continue the discussion tomorrow

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moondog · 27/02/2008 22:56

Bumper,you strike me as a rational and intelligent person.
Therefore can you not see that paying some half arsed 'therapist' to co-erce you into buying all sorts of 'supplements' is really not the action of a rational and intelligent person?

Nothing wrong with cereal,although (home made) muesli or porridge would be better.

Soups
Sandwiches
Omelettes
Jacket potatoes
Steamed fish
Veggies
Salad
Fruit

What's difficult about that?

scottishmummy · 27/02/2008 22:58

tbh a balanced diet should need not need any supplements!is this not a psychological crutch, and symptomatic treatment rather than addressing any deficits

try practical things

  • cook in bulk
  • freeze foods
  • Menu plan
  • healthy food in house
Pruners · 27/02/2008 23:04

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MegBusset · 27/02/2008 23:04

I went to the College of Naturopathic & Complementary Medicine at Regents College a few years ago when steroid treatment for my ulcerative colitic wasn't working. I was very sceptical but figured it couldn't hurt -- as I was taken on as a 'case study' by one of the students (with input from the class tutor and the other students), all I paid was a £5 donation to the college.

Anyway they suggested a few dietary changes and some supplements, lo and behold, within a couple of weeks my symptoms (which had been severe) had gone completely (they have never returned ).

However... I am by nature very wary of 'quackery' and pseudoscience, so I think you have to be careful. But I was told by the NHS that nothing I ate could affect my UC, and I simply don't believe this was the case. So it might be worth hearing a different opinion, just go in with your eyes open.

Pruners · 27/02/2008 23:06

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scottishmummy · 27/02/2008 23:07

holford is indeed a canny business man!also a huge meglomaniac empire with quasi-science mantras

Pruners · 27/02/2008 23:10

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stuffitllama · 27/02/2008 23:14

Hi, just one more thing about my own experience and no more arguing, from me anyway.

I used to live in a European country where conventionally trained GPs can also practice as nutritionists and homeopaths. Depending on which service the patient wanted, that would be provided. Drugs OR vitamin supplements can be prescribed and both are supplied from a pharmacy. These are conventionally trained medics. My "self-diagnosis" from a Holford book was confirmed by just such a doctor through a simple deficiency test. The deficient mineral was prescribed, and in addition to that we were prescribed an amino-acid, and the problem was resolved.

He was not a quack, far from it. In all other instances he treated our family "medically". It didn't even occur to him to think it was odd that a problem could be caused by a vitamin or mineral deficiency.

scottishmummy · 27/02/2008 23:15

it amazes me is Gillian, Patrick etc espouse "alternative" ways but want conventional staus eg "Dr"

stuffitllama · 27/02/2008 23:17

Gosh you lot are so prejudiced!
You think you've looked into but I don't think you have really.
Anyway.. off to bed.

Pruners · 27/02/2008 23:21

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scottishmummy · 27/02/2008 23:21

prejudiced- no.lively debate- yes and i think many of us do actually know what we are on about

Pruners · 27/02/2008 23:22

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stuffitllama · 27/02/2008 23:25

oh sod really do need to go to bed
but willing to up and at 'em again tomorrow

lots to say but the reason I keep saying I'm disappearing is because i'm tired and it's so off the op

i don't mind if you want to start a different thread and we can go ten bells there if you like but I am really done in right now

Pruners · 27/02/2008 23:28

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scottishmummy · 27/02/2008 23:30

Look at Holford bad science and poor grasp of methodologyand
holford myths

stuffitllama · 28/02/2008 08:02

Bumpalish

here's the other side, make up your own mind

If anyone wants to carry this on elsewhere then I'm very happy to, more than happy. Bump wanted rl experiences and I've given mine and it was wholly positive. If you want to have a debate I'll look out for you. I think it's a bit pointless because I'm not going to change my mind and you're not going to change yours. Unless the sort of snidey sarcastic tone changes I'm just not interested.

stuffitllama · 28/02/2008 08:04

Pruners I was on my knees last night!

BumperliciousNeedsaGlassofWine · 28/02/2008 08:09

Morning, back to it!

I understand that a balanced diet shouldn't need any supplements but it is difficult to be objective about what exactly is a balanced diet. Some things that I think are good for me may in fact not. Also it doesn't allow for individual situations and bodies, some people may not be absorbing certain vitamins properly despite having them in their diet.

I do meal plan, I do freeze, I eat the things on moodogs list in varying quantities, brown pasta/rice. My difficultly with food is that DH is a bit of a fussy bugger so I don't necessarily eat the diet I used to eat when I lived alone.

Pruners, you agree that some problems can be caused by vitamin/mineral deficiencies and how it's pretty mainstream? Well that's all very well but my experience of drs are that they are quick to whip out the prescription pad and not to look at holistic care. So while nutritionists may be be quacks, but I'm not feeling much more confidence in the drs who talk to me for 5 mins and don't offer any practical advice just some pills. Why should I trust them any more than someone who talks to me for an hour and a half discussing many different aspects of my life.

Edam said: 'I'm a bit taken aback that even someone with a masters in neuroscience believes 'natural' is somehow better. There are plenty of natural substances that cause side effects - how about St John's Wort, for starters?' I don't necessarily believe natural is 'better', I just would like to seek a natural route first. I understand St John's Wort has side effects (I can't take it as I am bfing and on thyroxine meds). But you can 'know' things and still have differing opinions on them, just because I 'know' about the effects of chemicals it's doesn't mean they are better, that's a completely subjective opinion.

Scottishmummy: "is this not a psychological crutch, and symptomatic treatment rather than addressing any deficits" you think? Wow, at last someone who can read between the lines! Of course it is an emotional crutch, I've been saying that in not so many words. But the second part of that sentence is no different to the effect of antidepressants either. The drs can't take away the stresses and strains of my life all they are offering is symptomatic treatment, no emotional crutch chucked in for good measure. And sure, if they could refer me to a dietitian with a proper qualification and all that, well that would be great, but seeing as at this stage they won't even refer me to a counsellor I am thinking that the chances of my GP thinking out of the box and allowing me the opportunity to pursue this route are slim to none.

If the people on here who have had positive experience have found it to work then it doesn't really matter why it works, or how it works what matters is that they feel better. And that's all I want, is to feel better.

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countryhousehotel · 28/02/2008 08:18

bumperlicious - speaking as someone who has seen both a state registered dietician on the NHS and paid considerable money to see a well respected nutritional therapist who has written books and appears on TV etc etc, i can vouch for the therapist being by far the best thing I ever did, and no supplements in sight, she actively discouraged me from thinking about them even though she is very pro supplements in general. In my specific case she felt there were other priorities, like balancing my blood sugar levels to help me stop binge-eating, but also understanding WHY I was bingeing. Dietician was helpful BUT churning out text-book nutrition advice (eat 5 a day, eat brown bread blah blah, eat breakfast every day yeh yeh - I know what i'm supposed to do but doing it was the problem). Good Luck with whatever you choose to do.

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