5G - serious health issue esp for babies and children

[sallybeare]

Hi. I'm trying to raise awareness here about 5G. The government is pushing this untested technology on us and citing out-of-date, inadequate assurances from Public Health England which are based on commercial guidelines. The consensus from international scientists and professors of biochemistry and radiation is that 5G (as well as mobile radiation generally) has been overwhelmingly proven in thousands of peer-reviewed studies to be a biohazard, especially to children and babies who absorb this type of non-ionising radiation much more readily than adults. Please see Dr Erica Mallory-Blythe's website PHIRE and its 5G leaflet for evidence-based information and start informing others in your area, as well as keeping an eye out for local fb campaigns. Thanks.

If anyone's going to the corner shop could they get me some bacofoil? I've run out....

There is no such scientific consensus by the way.

There does seem to be research linking phones/radiation and cancer
www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/14/mobile-phones-cancer-inconvenient-truths

From the article: There is a catch, though: the Internet of Things will require augmenting today’s 4G technology with 5G technology, thus “massively increasing” the general population’s exposure to radiation, according to a petition signed by 236 scientists worldwide who have published more than 2,000 peer-reviewed studies and represent “a significant portion of the credentialled scientists in the radiation research field”

I am really frightened for my children. In France the government banned wifi in all nursery schools and switch it off in primary schools when not being used for learning. Cell phones are banned in all schools. This is because the government recognise the harmful effects on the brain and reproductive system of wireless radiation and that children absorb more radiation. We need these protective laws here.

I am a brain scientist. There is no solid scientific evidence that mobile phones or wifi are bad for people. If there were, why on earth would the scientists be early adopters of the technologies and give it to our kids?

Yep. It has been tested, it’s not new, peer reviewed studies show no concerns.

Thanks for your work raising awareness Sally Beare. I don't get why people so stridently defensive of mobile phone technology? Its utterly reckless in my opinion. I really worry about my children's exposure. 2 of mine were born with genetic defects from who knows what but why knowingly put our children at risk? I'm sick of the tin foil jokes and being palmed off as a conspiracy theorist. These are nothing more than lazy retorts in the face of undeniable evidence against people who are actively speaking out for the vulnerable amongst us. There is plenty of independent scientific research to show EMFs are dangerous to all biology and its not true that theres been no links between phone use and illness...Check this out for starters, Parietal:
www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-phones-idUSBRE89I0V320121019

...furthermore, we are creating such a toxic environment for our children to live in. I already filter the water they drink, buy organic food, try and limit processed food, I take them out of the city to get fresh air at weekends, I limit their exposure to inappropriate content (well this is arguable given the onslaught of marketing and media we are faced with)...actually as the list goes on, I'm realising there are so many things I feel I want to protect my children from. With 5G we get no choice. It will be everywhere-in parks, in playgrounds, in schools and in our homes. I really believe as mothers we need to stand together against this to demand further safety testing. The current safety standards are way out of date for this new technology.

OP a good tip is to always have iPhone on airplane mode with WiFi on when you’re using it for internet. That way you’ll still get iMessage but your phone isn’t searching for a 5g signal every three seconds and acts more like a tablet than a phone.

How do you manage to take your children out of the city every weekend so that we can get fresh air? It must cost you a fortune in train fares.

Thanks for raising this, OP.
I haven't read enough of the research base (which will potentially also be skewed by financial interest) to comment much on the details, but I certainly don't think we should dismiss the possibility of harm from these things, or start rolling out the tired "tin foil hat" clichés which serve to shut down any open thinking and debate.

Am I right that trees are being cut down to make way for 5G as well? If so, this is certainly bad for people's health, as well.

Cite your sources people! Seriously apply a bit of critical thinking. If you can't show me a single properly referenced source I don't want to know. How many of you posted your nonsense on your phone!?

@Notmyideamovingon, the OP has given details of a website, and this gives links to peer reviewed scientific research articles.

Yep, properly referenced sources that don’t cite just partial parts of documents. There’s a lot of daft scaremongering going on. Here’s links to s9me proper sources. www.gov.im/media/1366123/rf-emf-draft-3.pdf

@ComeBackBarack. Please also see references on the website OP refers to.

Out of interest, @ComeBackBarack, what makes that pdf a "proper resource", which doesn't "cite just partial parts of documents"....?

@martinidry really? out of everything i've just said you want to discuss trainfares? maybe there is a more relevant thread for you.

@OliveKoch

www.emf-portal.org/en

The internet information platform EMF-Portal of the RWTH Aachen University summarizes systematically scientific research data on the effects of electromagnetic fields (EMF). All information is made available in both English and German. The core of the EMF-Portal is an extensive literature database with an inventory of 28,382 publications and 6,359 summaries of individual scientific studies on the effects of electromagnetic fields.

Thanks @leonieklein

Great to see people talking about this - there's so little awareness, thanks to our government and media not telling us anything other than wheeling out the desperately inadequate, out of date assurances from PHE which are really not fit for purpose as they come from the WHO and theirs come from the industry-loyal ICNIRP which is a private group of six non-scientists. There is an overwhelming body of evidence from non-industry-funded studies that non-ionising radiation from mobile wireless networks is harmful in many ways and we really need to find ways to use safe tech and protect our children now. There's lots of advice starting to spring up on the internet and please see our campaign page Halt 5G in the South West. Also the PHIRE leaflet from Dr Erica Mallory-Blythe who is strictly evidence-based is very good - you can see it on the PHIRE web page. Ethernet cables, boycotting 5G, legal action against councils over the 5G from the lampposts (see pic! they are on in Bristol by the zoo), and keeping the phone away from the body are a good place to start.

That's right - a good resource is Dr Sarah Starkey who is campaigning for safe tech in schools and Dr Erica Mallory Blythe. Also see Dr Sharon Goldberg's expert witness in the Michigan lawsuit against a mast - she and so many independent expert scientists insist there is no debate - when you remove the industry-funded studies, the science is crystal clear. The tree reports are alarming and make sense as trees inhibit the radiation pathways; if you look on council websites about tree-felling it says something vague about sometimes they need to remove them for 'planning.' This all makes 5G not green tech at all.

@sallybeare, as you're trying to raise awareness, might it be worth asking for this thread to move to somewhere with the highest traffic - the "Chat" board, perhaps?

On 28 March this year, the scientific peer review of a landmark United States government study concluded that there is “clear evidence” that radiation from mobile phones causes cancer, specifically, a heart tissue cancer in rats that is too rare to be explained as random occurrence.

Eleven independent scientists spent three days at Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, discussing the study, which was done by the National Toxicology Program of the US Department of Health and Human Services and ranks among the largest conducted of the health effects of mobile phone radiation. NTP scientists had exposed thousands of rats and mice (whose biological similarities to humans make them useful indicators of human health risks) to doses of radiation equivalent to an average mobile user’s lifetime exposure.

The peer review scientists repeatedly upgraded the confidence levels the NTP’s scientists and staff had attached to the study, fuelling critics’ suspicions that the NTP’s leadership had tried to downplay the findings. Thus the peer review also found “some evidence” – one step below “clear evidence” – of cancer in the brain and adrenal glands.

The above is from the Guardian article I linked earlier.