I want to stagger 12 month vaccinations not sure what order

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From what I can see online it’s
Men b
Hib/men c
Pcv
Mmr

I want to split them possibly to do 2 at a time but not sure which 2 to put together first.
Has anyone else done this ? What order did you do it in

It may well have done. My point is that a significant factor in the decision to give them at the same time took into account the parents’ opinion on being given 3 vaccines at the same time. Some parents - especially as it’s now increased to 4 vaccines - may not want that as we’re not all the same. The real motivation may be to save money and improve uptake, but it isn’t saying the decision was made due to overwhelming evidence that giving them all at once is a better clinical judgement, or that the vaccines were designed to be given together.

meditrina you’re right, that was lazy posting from me.

But there is no evidence that giving them together is dangerous.
Parent opinion on the subject is based on pure ignorance and misinformation which is really obvious from this thread ie recommendation of Paul Thomas etc

Where did I say giving them together is dangerous?

It is the hysterical reaction of some posters to people not following 'the rules' that is more ignorant and misinformed. It makes essentially no difference to anyone, the guidelines on time schedules are slightly arbitrary anyway, kid ends up vaccinated, what's the big deal?

I didnt say you said it was dangerous, but the whole point of this thread is that some people think it is dangerous.
My point is the separating vaccines at 2 months was only for a very short time
period ie 4 years and not really the norm.

The mmr gave my daughter a very high temperature twice around a week apart. When my son had febrile convulsions we were advised NOT to get the mmr alongside the men B vaccine. So we spaced his out.

That was my worry as the men b caused a high temperature for us too so I want to definitely do those ones separately

If you’re looking at a relatively short gap between both sessions then I would do the MMR last. My children all had continuing reactions from it up to about 3 weeks later

I know the men b one def have him a temp I don’t want it to be even higher if another component gives him a temp as well from a diff vaccine ?
I’d rather have two separate incidences of temperatures around 39 than one 40+

It doesn't work like that, the temperature is from the immune system responding to the vaccine not directly from the vaccine.

Spot on Isdads. Bruffin, the whole point of the thread is not saying it’s dangerous to give 4 at once, it’s the OP asking about separating them to avoid unpleasant side effects for her child. How long they were staggered for historically is irrelevant, I was trying to show that these things change and can still be acceptable. There has also been a new vaccine included in the newborn schedule which is known to cause a reaction in a large proportion of children and this means that 4 vaccines are given at 12 months, 2 which often cause a reaction and 2 which are initial doses. This is different to your decisions in the nineties. Declaring posters to be ignorant when they are trying to make a risk/benefit decision is not helpful, especially considering they are planning to have all the vaccinations.

As I said above my family has GEFS+, I based my decisions on temperature by talking to GPs and Consultants not on posters on the internet who base their decisions and antivax websites like Paul Thomas etc. I would also contact the Vaccine Knowledge Project run by Oxford University.
There are good web sites, but most posters cant tell the difference between good and bad.

There is a list on WHO of websites that meet good information practices criteria

WHO good practice criteria vaccine websites

There is also a book published by the IOM on vaccine reactions
Adverse Effects of Vaccines Evidence and Causality

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Ignorant, misinformed, and now 'most' posters can't tell the difference between good and bad websites. I guess the mn profile might have changed over the years, but it used to be a high proportion of degree educated posters - we can both read and analyse info 😱. I guess not all brain cells fall out of the vagina at birth

Ive been on theses boards for over 10 years. Having a degree is meaningless when it comes to vaccine decisions. Yoo many dumnung kruger rypes.Although over the years i think commonsense is taking over thankfully and less Whale.to or Wakefield fanbase

Actually @sashh it kind of does. It’s quite well established that single injections are, on average, less likely to cause severe side effects than multiple ones together. Many medics have experience of this and it’s documented in some vaccine inserts, published papers, clinical trial reports etc. You’re quite right that the temperature is caused by the body’s reaction to the vaccine, but, for inactivated vaccines which make up the bulk of the childhood schedule, it’s the adjuvant within the vaccine (usually aluminium based) that stimulates the response. The bits of bugs would be largely ignored by the body if injected alone. Each injection has adjuvant so you are layering the doses when having several at once, and this seems to have an effect in some people.

It’s also untrue to suggest that they come as a set or are designed to go together. It’s also counterproductive to maintaining herd immunity. This gives the impression you have to have all together or none at all, and parents might decide that none is best for them if their baby had a hard time with a previous set. Unfortunately, now that Men B is on the schedule, a LOT of babies have a much harder time than they did even 4 or 5 years ago.

Overall, I’m with @ISdads. If children are still fully vaccinated within more or less the same timescale, why should anyone else care if they choose to spread them out if they feel it will lessen the effects in their individual child?

Actually @sashh it kind of does. It’s quite well established that single injections are, on average, less likely to cause severe side effects than multiple ones together
Please show the research

Actually @sashh it kind of does. It’s quite well established that single injections are, on average, less likely to cause severe side effects than multiple ones together

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Please show research

@bruffin. I’m on my phone, but after a quick google;

Product insert for Prevenar 13 (PCV vaccine) shows higher rates of seizures and HHE with infamous hexa than alone (section 4.8)
www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/453/smpc

Bexsero (Men B vaccine) product info states that due to increased risk of fever plus other effects with other vaccines, you can consider giving alone when possible (section 4.5);
www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/5168/smpc

Bruffin you know nothing about me or my background. I have nothing to do with anti vaccine and have no idea who Paul Thomas is or what he says. I am well able to critically appraising available research, particularly related to healthcare and would repeat to you that all I’ve said is splitting vaccines at one year is not revolutionary, I have discussed it at each appointment, there is no disadvantage other than the small delay in full cover which actually is still within vaccine schedule recommendations. So throw around your ‘ignorant posters’ comments as much as you want, but it doesn’t add any weight to your opinions.

Itstineforbed
For the hundreth time its not about you. Stop making it about you ,there are other posters on this thread, 2 of whom have recommended Paul Thomas

Apologies. It’s been difficult to work out from your posts who you were having a go at given the sweeping criticism and dismissal of parents opinions on this topic as pure ignorance.

When vaccines are given singly, it's more likely that the child ends up with incomplete coverage. Is the big risk AFAIK. On top of it being more painful occasions for the kid.

With a 3-in-1 (MMR) or 5-in-1 jabs, don't they have a single dose of adjuvant, not 3x or 5x as much?

There's no way your DC's temperature will go over 40 if you give calpol straight away. You can even alternate with nurofen. IME the men B one is the worst but temperature came down fine with medicine.

When vaccines are given singly, it's more likely that the child ends up with incomplete coverage. Is the big risk AFAIK. On top of it being more painful occasions for the kid

Really? Where is this documented?