Has anyone decided not to give HPV vaccination in the last few years?

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I am not madly keen on vaccinations per se but if they are necessary then my children will have them. My daughter is due to have the hpv vaccine soon. When I last looked into this several years ago there was a lot of bad news about this vaccine, its use was suspended albeit temporarily in some countries and you do not need to look very far to find accounts of tragic consequences for some. How much of this is true and what proportion of people it affects is a moot point.
Is there anyone on here that is knowledgeable on this subject and decided not to vaccinate their children with this vaccine? It is extremely difficult to make an informed decision; many articles may be scaremongering and I don’t think reading official sources is necessarily any better as they are only going to be pro vaccination. Happy to receive any constructive thoughts. Thanks very much.

I am interested to know this also....I am somewhat anti vaccine after having researched heavily and deciding against giving my DD7 the MMR...and still having health professionals tell me the link to autism was disproven which is not true.
I am a nurse and recently undertook a research degree and it was very eye opening, the amount of research that is started and then scrapped once it starts to produce unfavourable results is just a huge black hole and we will never know the truth.
Bad pharma is a very interesting read for these issues. I will be following the thread and I hope you get informative replies rather than abuse from 'pro vaccinators' 🙏

My dd is also due to have this vaccine soon and I am some what on the fence about it. She has had every other vaccine but I'm not sure about this one...

Is there any evidence it has reduced cervical cancer rates or is it still too much of a recent vaccination to know?

I had this and it did me no harm that I know of. I chose to have it at 17 when it was first introduced. All vaccinations work on the same principle- introduce the immune system to a weakened, dead or synthetic version of a pathogen so it can fight it off when it meets the real deal. HPV is carried by a large proportion of the adult population and can cause cervical cancer. Odds are, people will contract HPV unless vaccinated. For me it was a no brainer.

It can cause other cancers too, like vaginal or vulva cancer. My daughter had it, and I'm very glad.

This is a good article on risk from the Institute of Advanced Study at Princeton University:

www.ias.edu/ideas/2017/light-cervical-cancer

On safety I can only say that my daughter had a severe reaction almost 10 years ago to the HPV vaccination. I'm not anti-vaccine, as all of our family are fully vaccinated. However I'm now in touch with many families in the same position and their daughters also have problems with their autonomic function system. My daughter reacted very shortly after the first vaccination and we were told it was likely a virus, she had the second vaccination (at 6 week interval then) and she immediately became very much worse. That's just our experience. It is a dreadful experience watching your previously healthy daughter develop this sort of long-term disabling illness that turns their life and plans upside down.

The marketing information makes you think that any HPV infection can lead to cervical cancer, but doesn't say much about risk factors - use of contraceptive pill, smoking, poor diet, multiple sexual partners, family history etc - or that the majority of infections are cleared by the body with no intervention. We feel that we were misled about the risks and there is good information on this in the article posted above.

I have been reading a few articles on the subject tonight and they all seem to say that the original trials for the vaccine were flawed and bias, there is no evidence the vaccine works and we won't know for another 15 years at least if it does work and there is strong anecdotal evidence of link between hpv vaccine and cfs.

I'm really not convinced this vaccine is a good one. I am otherwise very pro vaccine....

I've spent the evening reading up on the hpv vaccine as dd is due to have it soon, the is the first vaccine I've had concerns over. Am pretty sure needle phobic dd won't let them jab her anyway but wondered if any of you had any thoughts on it?

@dreamcatcher87 I think ‘pro vaccinators’, as you like to call us, prefer the term ‘responsible people’ or (my personal preference) ‘anti-death’.

If you are suspicious of vaccinations, do yourself a favour and go and read some real basic science text books about how your immune system works. Basic biology, people, it’ll give you the basics to then review the evidence from both sides. Personally prefer to put my faith in science than anecdotal evidence people post online.

@rosiestarr

Thank you for your very informative reply. May I suggest the following books...as I said in my previous reply I researched heavily about the MMR in particular and have not yet researched the HPV vaccine which is why I am interested to hear of any sound evidence for or against it. Below are my recommendations, I would actually consider it highly irresponsible to give your children vaccines without having read these. Just going off what the Dr tells you is best is not being a responsible parent. But that's just my opinion. And I am a nurse with a degree. I understand basic biology and the immune system.

Millers review. Critical vaccine studies by Neil z. Miner

Vaccination policy and the UK government. The untold truth by Christina England & Lucia tomljenovic

Dissolving illusions by Suzanne humphries and roman bystrianyk

How to raise a healthy child inspite of your doctor by robert.s. Mendelsohn

The manufacturers inserts of the vaccines. NOT the patient information leaflet- they are not the same thing.

Also FYI According to the government there have been 12 deaths from measles in the last 12 years. Out of population of 66 million. And this is not what the scare mongering NHS media would have you believe.

@dreamcatcher87 The problem with all of these books is that they are not peer reviewed or evidence based - anyone can publish a book. I could go out now and publish a book saying that pigs fly, and it could be published without any fact checking.

Peer reviewed, evidence based research is what you need to back up your claims. All you have provided is scaremongering twaddle, and I don’t believe you understand how scientific evidence works.

Also FYI According to the government there have been 12 deaths from measles in the last 12 years.

Hsve you stopped to wonder why that is? If you really are a HCP I'm the King of Siam.

Death isn’t the only horrible outcome for measles- but you would know that if you really are a nurse. It’s people as ignorant as you who put herd immunity at risk.

Apparently Mumsnet are anti vaccination too! Or perhaps just anti intelligence?

I am not anti vaccines but chose not to let my DD have the hpv vaccine 3 years ago. The aggressive speed with which the vaccine information was delivered was alarming. We got the information and permission slip on a Tuesday for the vaccine to be given on the Friday and I felt the information was somewhat lacking so I rang my gp who gave me a balanced run down on why she would not give it. None of her arguments had to do with reactions. I spoke to her again recently and she reiterated the same reasons but admits it's a hard one to decide upon. I had never worried about vaccines before but I still feel that the information is one sided. It is new with no long term studies on effects and efficacy, no acknowledgement of possible and reported side effects and generally just not enough balanced information available. I don't know if we made the right call, i still don't feel I know enough about it..

It is so difficult to discuss though because you get people being rabidly aggressive about anti vaxxers even though this one is not about herd immunity. It's protection for individuals. Or not as the case might be.

ich what reasons did the Dr give?

The speed of that is down to whoever was providing it though (was that school?), and these things have years of clinical trials before being released. Basic paracetamol has had less checks as it came out well before standard industry testing.

@Dreamcatcher87 if you had done your reaearch you would know that Andrew Wakefield was debunked and struck off as a result of his dangerous incorrect research linking autism and mmr. How you can continue to believe that and then encourage others tk agree wjth you makes you an ignorant danger, quite frankly.

I have NEVER met a medical practitioner who is anti vaccine. And I work in the profession.

Vaccines are probably the greatest achievement of human kind.

@move2wy “Vaccines are probably the greatest achievement of human kind.”

Absolutely! Edward Jenner was a genius.

I too work for the NHS and have never yet met a health professional who is anti vaccine.
A few who won’t take certain vaccines due to reasons, such as pork in a flu jab and who try to source an alternative. But none who are actually anti vaccine.

I work in the NHS and am pro vaccine, I've had every vaccine available as has my dd but I do have concerns over this particular one. You should be able to voice concerns without being accused of being anti vaccine.

Such a shame that every thread turns to this - I have nothing to do with healthcare - I personally know 2 NHS doctors who have said they did not give this one to their children though.

Also on the basis it offers 10 years protection what happens when girls hit 22 years old? www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/hpv-human-papillomavirus-vaccine/

MMR really doesn't cause autism. Andrew Wakefield has been disgraced & struck off.

There’s a difference between raising concerns and scaremongering / spreading incorrect information.

If there is a genuine concern regarding side effects, you report them to a doctor - this is how we understand more about how medicines, treatments, etc impact patients. Posting it online doesn’t help find out more about what’s going on.