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Chickenpox possible incubation and risk of spreading...

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muminlondon · 06/07/2004 12:23

I've just found out that a girl who came to visit our 16 month-old daughter, 11 days ago, developed chickenpox rash the next day, which is a very infectious time. So if the incubation is on average 15 days, and the most infectious time is 48 hours before, is it risky to let her mix with other toddlers tomorrow?

Can I cling on to the hope that she won't get it, or is it a given?

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foxinsocks · 06/07/2004 12:27

It's not a given and personally, I wouldn't keep her in on the off chance she's going to get it.

Mine lived through so many chickenpox outbreaks (even kissing someone a day before their spots came out) without getting it I was beginning to think they were immune. But last autumn, they finally caught it off someone (who had a birthday party - I think it was all the drinks sharing!).

I would let her mix with other toddlers unless you know one of them has any specific immunity problems (like leukemia etc.).

hana · 06/07/2004 12:33

will there be pregnant mums there? Can be risky for them if they haven't had it.

musica · 06/07/2004 13:01

Difficult one! The day before is definitely the most infectious time. However, the incubation time is 10 days to 3 weeks, and you just can't keep a toddler in that long on the off-chance that they get it. My ds spent a day with a friend who came out with spots the next day, and they were playing 'get into bed together' and he didn't get it. But, as hana says, if there are pregnant mums there tomorrow, they might be at risk. I remember being really stroppy when someone brought their child with slapped-cheek to toddlers, when I was pregnant - I thought that if there was a place where pregnant people are more likely, it's surely a toddler group! But, your dd doesn't HAVE chicken pox.

I don't know! Is it a toddler group, or a group of friends? If it was friends, you could phone round them and see what they think.

muminlondon · 06/07/2004 13:37

It's a reunion of friends from antenatal group, arranged 2 months ago. I don't think any of them are pregnant. I'd love to see them but was considering calling to cancel today. I just wondered what the etiquette was. When the parents of the other little girl mentioned it (in passing), I forgot to express any sympathy as I was so concerned about the risk of getting it - which would probably be the reaction if I took her tomorrow.

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twiglett · 06/07/2004 13:40

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elliott · 06/07/2004 13:44

I think the incubation period is more like 3 weeks than 11 days, so you're not actually in the highest risk period. Does your dd have any symptoms like a runny nose - my understanding is that they can appear unwell and 'coldy' just before the spots break out.
Personally I would just go. My antenatal group meets every week (still! - kids are now 2.5 years!) and recently there have been a couple of cases of chicken pox - it didn't spread any further and I'm sure we didn't think anything of being around each other at that time (of course not when the child was known to be infectious). Similarly there have been cases at ds1's nursery in the last few weeks - so he's definitely been exposed - but until I KNOW he's got it, I certainly wouldn't restrict his socialising!

musica · 06/07/2004 13:45

Also, unless they're pregnant, it really is better for children to have chickenpox at this age, because it is so much milder than if they're older. I remember chicken-pox parties when I was little.

musica · 06/07/2004 13:46

Obviously not 'if the children are pregnant' - meant mums!

LIZS · 06/07/2004 13:52

I've got the same dilemma atm. dd was exposed at playgroup last Wednesday, her friend came out in spots on Thursday. I think we would prewarn anyone we were consciously going to mix with, ie at a party or playdate, within the 10 day to 3 week period and see what the reaction is. Many people are relaxed about their kids getting it anyway but as it is holiday season I don't feel it is fair to potentially expose them to it without telling them. Our particular dilemma is that we are supposed to fly to UK for a wedding on the 3rd Wednesday so are hoping she comes out with it sooner rather than later if she is going to.

muminlondon · 06/07/2004 13:56

yes, when I said 'the risk of getting it' I meant the risk of DD getting it!

She's had a cough and occasional runny for a couple of weeks but otherwise no new symptoms. I'm actually a bit concerned that if she does get chickenpox she may be fighting off other viruses at the same time. I was also considering going for the MMR jab (after much reading and reflection!) but now is definitely a no-no. I can only watch and wait...

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mothernature · 06/07/2004 14:02

Chickenpos the facts:

Definition

Chickenpox is one of the classic childhood diseases, and one of the most contagious. The affected child or adult may develop hundreds of itchy, fluid-filled blisters that burst and form crusts. Chickenpox is caused by a virus.

The virus that causes chickenpox is varicella-zoster, a member of the herpesvirus family. The same virus also causes herpes zoster (shingles) in adults.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

In a typical scenario, a young child is covered in pox and out of school for a week. The first half of the week the child feels miserable from intense itching; the second half from boredom. Since the introduction of the chickenpox vaccine, classic chickenpox is becoming less and less common.

Chickenpox is extremely contagious, and can be spread by direct contact, droplet transmission, and airborne transmission. Even those with mild illness after the vaccine may be contagious.

When someone becomes infected, the pox usually appear 10 to 21 days later. People become contagious 1 to 2 days before breaking out with pox. They remain contagious while uncrusted blisters are present.

Once someone catches chickenpox, the viral infection usually lasts for a lifetime, with the virus kept in check by the immune system. About 1 in 10 adults will experience shingles when the virus re-emerges during a period of stress.

Most cases of chickenpox occur in children younger than ten. The disease is usually mild, although serious complications sometimes occur. Adults and older children usually get sicker than younger children do.

Children under one year of age whose mothers have had chickenpox are not very likely to catch it. If they do, they often have mild cases because they retain partial immunity from their mothers' blood. Children under one year of age whose mothers have not had chickenpox, or whose inborn immunity has already waned, can get severe chickenpox.

The pox are worse in children who have other skin problems, such as eczema or a recent sunburn.

Complications are more common in those who are immunocompromised from an illness or medicines like chemotherapy. Some of the worst cases of chickenpox have been seen in children who have taken steroids during the incubation period, before they have any symptoms. These children are usually being treated for asthma.

mothernature · 06/07/2004 14:02

ahemm... chickenpox....

muminlondon · 06/07/2004 14:06

So you have might have to wait another 2 weeks to find out LIZS? I'm not sure now whether she should go to the childminder next Tuesday (day 16) if she hasn't developed a rash - there's a younger baby there.

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mothernature · 06/07/2004 14:08

'Children under one year of age whose mothers have had chickenpox are not very likely to catch it. If they do, they often have mild cases because they retain partial immunity from their mothers' blood.'

Check with the minder she should have records or at least she should be able to find out from the mother if she has or has not had chickenpox.

muminlondon · 06/07/2004 14:14

OK thanks, posted my message before I saw that bit. Is there any chance DD has some immunity from me because I was still breastfeeding till 3 months ago??!!

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LIZS · 06/07/2004 14:27

Yup, basically we now have a real waiting game. If she is still contagious we can't fly . If she can't go, I can't go nor can ds who is on my passport. dh doesn't fancy going to wedding alone either (it is his aunt's wedding) and we won't know until we are due to fly whether we are in the clear or not, unless she gets it by mid next week. Irony is there is no guarantee she will get it as ds didn't when he was exposed to his cousin with it, so all the fretting might be for nothing.

tbh I really did not need this on top of planning a house move mid July but it is the risk you run with small kids.

LIZS · 19/07/2004 18:34

Update - dd didn't get it . We've just returned from our trip and hopefully can relax, until the next time of course ...

how about your dd muminlondon ?

Rowlers · 19/07/2004 19:53

I've got the same dilemma but my DD is just 4 months old. I'm not breastfeeding but she is getting my expressed milk - the nurse at my doctors' surgery told me it was unlikely she would catch it at this age if I have had chicken pox, which I have. She also said that she would not get it if there were no signs after 7 days, which doesn't match what has been said here. As my DD has only just been in contact with a 2 year old with chicken pox, I'm not sure what to do. I regularly meet up with the other mums from my ante-natal group. Should I be ultra-cautious and stay away from our get-togethers for a couple of weeks? I don't relish the thought of isolation for 2-3 weeks ....

muminlondon · 19/07/2004 20:50

Nope! no spots, and that was 29 days ago, so I think we can breathe a sigh of relief now. We've all got stinking colds though.

hard to know what to advise, Rowlers, but I've read babies usually have acquire immunity from the placenta for up to 6 months if you've had it yourself (and bf can prolong the immunity for longer).

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Slinky · 19/07/2004 21:09

Rowlers

Word of warning - my DS1 caught chicken pox from DD1 when he was just 3 weeks old - even though he was breastfeeding and I had had chicken pox myself at 15.

Rowlers · 19/07/2004 21:21

Thanks for the comments. I would feel pretty bad if another baby picked up chicken pox from my DD so I think I'll have to stay away for a while. I'll have to try and find childless friends to spend time with until the danger has passed. Trouble is, they're all at work during the day.

muminlondon · 20/07/2004 09:30

Rowlers, it was unfortunate for poor Slinky's DS1 to catch it so young, but there's more of a risk when spending 24 hours per day with an infected child who may be holding and kissing the baby or passing her toys after she's sneezed on them. However, if you are meeting with other mothers while the babies are sitting in their prams there's less chance of contact and/or the sneezing distance is longer. Just a thought.

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blossom2 · 20/07/2004 10:14

Just wanted to share my story of chickenpox in the hope it might help...

my DH got it at 32 years and 2 days before we were due to go on holiday!!! Then proceeded to pass it onto my DD when she was 4 months. She didn't have any symptons until the first spot appeared. then she had a high temperature and was miserable for about 3 days. The spots stopped appearing after 13 days. Day 15, the spots were scabbing and falling off.
Apart from 3 days of sleep, calpol and lots of fluids, she was fine for the rest of the time and didn't want to scratch or anything (probably because she didn't know what was happening). we didn't change her feeds (bottle fed with expressed milk at the time) but encouraged her to take lots of water. she did lose loads of weight.

It was a really hard time and I didn't see anyone for 2 weeks. Once DD seemed well within herself, I took her out with the raincover on so that no one got too close to her. We also went to the park when i thought there would be very few people there. Luckily it was summer at the time!

Looking back on it, i'm relieved she caught it when she did. i don't need to worry about it now. DD does have marks even though there was no scratching so i hope they will just disappear with time. The sweetest thing is that she has marks exactly where my chickenpox marks are!!!

Piffleoffagus · 01/08/2004 14:06

another quick query on back of this thread!
DS aged 10 who has had C Pox had a friends stay over, his little brother has got CPox, then another friend who came over all day last week and was playing with dd aged 21 mths a lot, has come down with it.
DD is today sleeping loads, ok, chirpy enough, off food (rare for her lol) drinking ok, has a few red spots but may or mat not be heat as she is a spotty bubba anyway.
She also has runny eyes not really bad but a little crusty... runny nose and a cough...
Am assuming she is coming down with it...
Would this be a reasonable assumption or paranoia?
Am going to head out and get all the recommended bit and bobs as in this heat it will be awful for her...

Piffleoffagus · 01/08/2004 14:06

dd is 21 mths btw

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