Declining 8 week injections

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Hi, has anyone declined the 5-1 jab at 8 week baby jabs? My daughter is due hers and after extensive research my partner and myself are not happy to let her have this so early on in her life and we have been looking into having them separately but are having difficulty sourcing these privately. Any help or info would be appreciated. Thanks

His name is mud because he is an opportunist making money out of parents' worries.

Here's the link www.babyjabs.co.uk/DrHalvorsen.html

He's good. Gives different advice to different people (so not a 'hand over your cash for me to say the same thing to different people'). He's not anti vaccine (recommends the vast majority for children without a concerning family history), but is aware of some of potential issues around vaccination.

Has your extensive research also looked into any of the potentially fatal illnesses these jabs present?

Neglectful IMO not to get your child vaccinated.

Oh fgs Bertrand - he was doing it on the NHS for years until he was prevented from doing so.

I know in some planets vaccine damaged children just don't exist - but for those of us with young adults requiring 24 hour 2:1 care we welcome safe vaccination. I would never give my younger children a multiple vaccination - I might give them a single. Unfortunately the govt has made that incredibly difficult (& so my younger children remain completely unvaccinated - with quite a few medics saying they understand why).

Where have you done your research and what exactly did it say the risks are for giving the vaccinations and what did it say the risks are for not giving them?

If you don't vaccinate you are basically relying on others to vaccinate which gives some degree of protection to yours. But only some. If everyone thought like you then we would go back to Victorian times when children died of fairly minor and now totally avoidable diseases. I'm grateful for these advances in medicine which to a great extent keep our babies and children safe. Why would anyone not want this for their child?

Anti-vaxers remind me of pacifists - not willing to do it themselves, but very happy to have the privileges that others afford them (like no disease epidemics and freedom).

Obviously I accept that some children can't be vaccinated due to allergies or other health issues but these children are a minority.

Take a walk round an old church yard and just look st the numbers and the ages of the dead children - why do you think so few infants die in childhood now.???

Do you think it's because humans are all so much healthier now or because of you know modern medicine and things like vaccines .

Are those awful doctors and nurses are all in some big conspiracy to inject your baby with horrible substances or would they prefer a healthy child ??

she has said she is looking into vaccinating singly & over a longer time period (just like they did into the 90's incidentally). She hasn't said she isn't going to vaccinate.

I notice that there is one dissenting voice here. No doubt Devilish has her own, maybe valid reasons, for not vaccinating. But her child is not your child.

To echo what others have said how much fact based, scientific evidence research have you done? Are you medically qualified to make such decisions or have you spoken to qualified medical professionals?

I was born in the 1950s and have seen the devastating consequences of polio. Most mothers my age have had their children vaccinated because we remember what it is like to have some of the diseases that are now vaccinated against. You have grown up with the luxury of not seeing or coming across these horrible diseases.

Why?

Because sensible parents have had their children vaccinated, and this has provided herd immunity for the small minority of children who cannot be vaccinated. Perhaps your child is one of the minority, but at 8 weeks how do you know this?

I urge you to consider very carefully the consequences of your decision, and to talk to a medical professional if you have any concerns.

I think OP you have been offered a wonderful free gift of protection for your little one and the people they come in contact with from terrible and sometimes fatal diseases. It's strange to me that you are not grabbing that with both hands.

But go ahead and try try try to find a reason the vaccines aren't safe enough for your child. Don't you think we have all done this research?

Anyway back to the OP - there's an vaccine book by Dr Sears who generally recommends all vaccines in the usual schedule but includes alternate vaccine schedules for children who may need them for various reasons. His website suggests that there's no single pertussis vaccine so the 5-in-1 is still recommended to provide the pertussis protection. www.askdrsears.com/topics/health-concerns/vaccines/dtap-vaccine-and-diphtheria-tetanus-and-pertussis-raise-your-hand-if-you-want-plain

There are just as many risks from the single vaccines as from the combined, and the risks are minute. It's a con to get money out of worried parents who have never experienced the horror of diseases like polio. In parts of Africa people will walk for miles and miles if they have the opportunity to have their children vaccinated.

But devilish the single vaccines for the majority of the diseases we vaccinate against in the UK just aren't available.

I'd be interested to know what vaccines Dr H gives and where he gets them from.

I remember in the early 2000s (after the MMR scare) when a mumps vaccine imported from Japan (I think it was) was causing encephalitis. You'd need to be very sure of what was being given and where it came from.

I was going to say exactly what bertha said. But don't worry your little one should be absolutely fine because of herd immunity. You know all of us who actually went and got our children vaccinated so that you don't have to worry your precious little head about vaccinating yours.

Watching with interest. I feel similarly to the op. I am prepared for the backlash.

I'd love to know what your 'extensive research' involved.

Was it reading independent peer reviewed journals? Medical reports? Or just baseless articles from sensationalist anti-vaxxers?

You are dicing with your child's health. Just get it done.

Yes, that's the other issue with single vaccines. Not all of them are licenced for use in the UK and there hasn't been sufficient research on them as singles.

Jeez, just get them bloody immunised asap. Not only does it protect your children but those who actually can't have them are protected. Those that can't have them are really sick already, with a compromised immune system. Unless a high percentage of children are immunised, the risk of serious illnesses spreading amongst are children becomes a real possibility.

You are being selfish for what reason exactly? The immunisations are extensively tested and researched and are given routinely throughout the UK.

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And what did your highly scientific research unearth vixx?

Vixx can I ask what your concerns are?

(Genuinely, not being snarky. As a practice nurse who has given thousands of vaccines over the last 17 years I very rarely come across parents unwilling to vaccinate totally, and a few who have concerns about specific vaccines. When I do I am keen to understand their concerns.)

What do you mean they haven't been sufficiently researched as singles? They've been through the same process as the multivalent jabs (in some cases more, as they may have been around longer) & research comparing the efficacy of monovalent vs multiple jabs isn't exactly unusual. To be honest it's convincing jabs that tends to lead to surprising things happening such as in the case of Hib. See here:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1126037/

Incidentally I wrote to the dept of health about unlicenced vaccines back in 2001. They said they were happy to licence singles but it's up to the manufacturers to present them for licensing & they hadn't done so.

My eldest son has a number of drugs off label - in other words used outside the terms of the licence. It's not unusual in medicine (& one of the ones he has off label is pretty heavy duty TBH).

You know what I had whooping cough at 35 and it took 6 months to get over it, I was so ill I truly thought I was going to die.
Vaccinate your damn kids.