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Abortion rate highest ever - I'm sorry I just don't buy the reason suggested for this...

875 replies

CountessDracula · 08/02/2007 11:39

"But pregnancy advice groups said the figures probably reflected poor access to contraceptive services"

What utter tosh

You can buy condoms in many loos in clubs and pubs. In any chemist or 24hour shop.

You have access to family planning clinics and doctors with free contraception

You can buy the morning after pill over the counter ffs

Shouldn't people take a bit more responsibility and get themselves to these places and get some bloody contraception?

OP posts:
paulaplumpbottom · 09/02/2007 13:27

I'm not saying it is a ll cut and dry. I'm not stupid. I know that there are difficulties.I do think killing a child is wrong. I do think that is cut and dry.

paulaplumpbottom · 09/02/2007 13:28

I do think abortions should be allowed if a mothers life is truly at stake.

foxinsocks · 09/02/2007 13:28

it's not cut and dry paula because it's not always killing

you think it's killing because you think it's life from conception but there are VAST numbers of people who do not think this way

Aloha · 09/02/2007 13:28

Are four cells a baby or not? If you agree that it is not then we do agree that something can be alive in your womb but not be a 'baby'.
I think women who have terminations ARE being 'responsible' as you put it. They are dealing with the 'consequences' of their mistake, because they don't think of babies as punishments one must endure.

izzybiz · 09/02/2007 13:29

But i still "killed" my unborn.

uwila · 09/02/2007 13:31

Oi, Paula, did you get my e-mail.

paulaplumpbottom · 09/02/2007 13:33

I don't think babies are punishments either. I think they are wonderful and deserve to live. I also already answered that question yes I thik those 4 cells are a baby.

paulaplumpbottom · 09/02/2007 13:34

Nope I'll check now.

Mog · 09/02/2007 13:34

Dinosaur - what happens at 12 weeks and 1 day that makes the foetus into a baby? When in your mind does it become a baby? I really don't understand this arguement. Anyone whose been for a 12 week scan would definitely say they've seen their baby.
I should keep out of this because it's not going anywhere. But the faulty logic amazes me and the way people think that just because they don't feel something to be true then it isn't.

3andnomore · 09/02/2007 13:39

((((((((SANDCASTLES)))))))

Just read the rest of thehread, from where I stopped yesterday, and looks like there is no answer, eh?

paulaplumpbottom · 09/02/2007 13:39

I replied

sandcastles · 09/02/2007 13:42

3andnomore, nope....no answers at all. I think any woman should be allowed to do as she wants without feeling guilty. Afterall, it's only really her & the baby who have to battle through the 'consequences' as it were.

Off to bed now, need sleep!

Dinosaur · 09/02/2007 13:48

Pog - it is a pragmatic viewpoint. It is just not practical to regard a blastocyte, or a tiny embryo, as a baby.

Think through the consequences. If you treat it as a human life in its own right, then what happens, say, to a woman who doesn't realise she is pregnant, and does something that causes her to miscarry? By your logic, she's probably guilty of manslaughter.

Dinosaur · 09/02/2007 13:48

And sandcastles, I'm sorry - I know this argument is pointless and isn't helping you aut all. I''m going to shut up now. Hope you get some sleep.

Mog · 09/02/2007 13:51

Aloha - 4 cells would be an embryo at about 2 days after conception. So about 2 weeks before someone had missed their first period. So it's not fair and misleading to say that's what abortions are.

paulaplumpbottom · 09/02/2007 13:51

So you like to think that its not a life because you don't like the implications?

paulaplumpbottom · 09/02/2007 13:53

Thats very true, most women don't realise that they are pregnant until its 4 weeks along. The earliest most abortions are done at is 6 weeks and many more are done after that.

Mog · 09/02/2007 13:58

Dinosaur - there are very few things that can 'cause' a miscarriage so I wouldn't think anyone was guilty of this.

Dinosaur · 09/02/2007 14:02

Paula, it's not whether I, Dinosaur, like or don't like the implications - it's the same way the law works in this country - as I say, it's a pragmatic approach.

FioFio · 09/02/2007 14:04

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paulaplumpbottom · 09/02/2007 14:04

It just doesn't wash with me that its ok to not view it as a life due to practicality. Thats absurd.

NotAnOtter · 09/02/2007 14:05

I too have been told my mother that she wished she had never had me - many times

However - I am glad that she did

This debate is not about whether abortion is right or wrong - but is the right to abortion being abused - misused or over-used.
I believe it is

foxinsocks · 09/02/2007 14:08

Fio, there's a number for that in the stats bit further down the thread.

Paula - I don't understand why you can't entertain other views. Your belief that it is a life is EXACTLY that - a belief. Life at conception is a religious belief.

lulumama · 09/02/2007 14:09

at what point does the right of the foetus overrule the rights of the mother...at what point do we say , this is a baby..well , i believe it is at the point it is capable of being born alive ,so around 24 weeks or so....

when it is a cluster of cells, and when it is a tiny embryo the size of a fingernail, it has the potential and the capacity to become a foetus, then a baby, but the mother , as a living viable human being, has rights too

if you take the 'it is a baby from conception' argument to its conclusion, doctors would not operate to remove ectopic pregnancies as that would be murder, or would forbid women from doing anything that might be seen to harm the baby...there was a case in america where a woman was taken to court for drinking alcohol in a public bar when pregnant. she was not drunk, she was having a drink and the bar owner called the police...

is that the sort of state we want to find ourselves in , when the rights of an unborn child are paramount and we as women are no more than the vessel to carry that baby?

having a baby should not ever be a punishment, forced on a woman, with all the psychological damage that would entail...

nor should the rights of someone not yet born overtake the rights of those already living, IMHO

swifterella · 09/02/2007 14:09

god is this still going?? I knew there would be someone on from the pro lfe club bangng on about 'killing' babies. Yawn

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