So how many of you are genuinely 'anti-vax'

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This accusation gets thrown around quite a lot on MN but from what I've seen, most people who are accused of it do vaccinate their children. They may use a different schedule or separate some vaccines and they possibly don't give certain vaccines but they still do vaccinate in some way and I don't think this makes someone 'anti-vax'. Even the parents who say they don't vaccinate at all tend to have a medical reason for not doing so and do support vaccines in general.

So, is anyone here genuinely 'anti-vax'?

Sanityclause Heaven forbid I should take up an extra moment of NHS time. For your info dc2 has been to the doctor once in three years and dc3 never in almost a year (apart from routine checks/vaccinations and a quick check of ears while I was in there for my own appointment).
DC3 will have one or two of the three injections in one appointment and will be able to have the other one or two when I take dc2 for the pre-school booster.
So don't worry.

Also, we are fortunate to have a small, rural surgery with decent gps and it is quite simple to get am appointment. Thankfully the receptionists aren't as sanctimonious or nosy as some posters on this thread.

I watched that entire documentary & looked at the papers.

My head is screaming CRAP SCIENCE, but I guess we will see if crap science is hiding something real.

I think the excuse for the rubella vaccine is bullshit, chicken pox can do some serious damage to pregnent women and unborn dc. We don't vaccinate against that though.

My dc both had their mmr before they started school. If they had been avaliable singular they would of had it earlier as it is I didn't want to put all of that into their little bodies. I also couldn't see the point since they would need boosters ect so waited.

Assaulted, I'm not 'against' the flu vaccine as such but I agree with Side that it's a bit to try to vaccinate children in order to protect the elderly who are also offered the vaccine but don't take it.

Also, it's not particularly effective - last year was particularly bad

Bumbley, thanks, didn't realise that last years flu vaccine was so ineffective.

Urbane, I agree with you, we don't know what causes autism but we know for certain that it's not the MMR. I wasn't aware that you could prove a negative but, once again, when it comes to vaccines, medical science knows no bounds. To me, the bad science isn't linking the MMR to autism, it's making a sweeping statement that autism definetly isn't caused by the MMR, when we don't know what does cause it.

brand most people have had chicken pox though so are immune to it. Rubella, not so. That's why.

Whilst you can't prove a negative you can disprove a positive. The continued increase of autism diagnoses in Japan after they withdrew the MMR in 1993 is taken as disproving the positive. www.newscientist.com/article/dn7076-autism-rises-despite-mmr-ban-in-japan/

Where, yes I agree with what you are saying, but that's just one piece of evidence, is that good enough to prove to an anxious parent that there is no link. I think the best they can say is that there is no evidence to support the theory. Of course, if you don't look you won't find, and IMO, they are scared in case they do find.

I would have thought finding out what did cause autism would be so important that no stone could be left unturned but the MMR link has been totally discounted. Bizarre!

Where, having read your link, it does say that if can't rule out the vaccine triggering autism in a small number of children. That is worrying for many parents, myself included, especially when my 13 month old doesn't need to be protected against one component I.e. Rubella since that is harmful to unborn babies. In my opinion, best avoided.

Side, that doesn't mean they think it does cause autism, just that the kind of study that was carried out can't disprove that theoretical possibility.

You seem determined to ignore all the evidence, just in case.

In the meantime measles has returned and people are dying from it.

Hermione, I agree with you totally about the study. I am keen to avoid MMR, just in case, but my biggest objection, is the rubella component. That coupled with, just in case, I'll still avoid.

You seem to have moved on to measles now , which if I had been able to just vaccinate against measles, I might have done but that isn't possible. I know I can pay but I'm not that bothered.

Presumably the reason that people are not immune to German Measles is because we don't now catch it as children?

We don't vaccinate against chicken pox, so most of us (I was an exception) catch is when we are young.

I hope that made sense. I'm not sure that it did? I was really responding to MrsMorton's post.

I have a couple (at least) of very anti vax friends. One is so because her ds is severely autistic but was developing normally and then regressed after his MMR. She believes very strongly that there is a link because it happened to her. My dp also has a relative that suffered severe vaccine damage and became "like a vegetable" (sorry) after her vaccinations.

I also have another friend who is just against any medication, vaccines any medical stuff at all really. shes hippydippy, very woo, lentil weaving etc. Shes nice enough, but a bit far out. I was very worried when her baby caught pertussis, and she wouldnt do antibiotics etc, but he pulled through thankfully.

In fact I think i know other anti vaxxers too, and i know many more vaccine sceptics, but who will vax in some way.

Each to their own

Yes i am proudly antivax and have been for a few years now. My 5 kids are perfectly healthy and they are unvaccinated.

Edit: 4 kids
Edit 2: 2 kids

The trouble with vaccinations is that people need to be unselfish and altruistic. No one like having their babies have needles stuck into them and occasionally there are some (generally minor) advere effects. But at a population level vaccinations save many many lives due to the herd immunity effect.

I can't believe that people think the only reason children are given the flu vax is to stop 'old people' getting flu. Children get flu too and can be really poorly with it. My friends daughter had flu when she was 2 and was blue lighted into hospital. Luckily she was ok. Flue can be a killer what ever age.

Oh and another poster said old people don't bother to get the flu vax, I'm not quite old enough to get it on the NHS but I pay to have it.

Bluebluesea has your 19yr old agreed with the idea of not travelling abroad?

Do you think that vaccinations as teens would be a good idea?

Words fail me. Not prepared to give your child a vaccine because you don’t actually care that someone else might go through the trauma of birth defects because of your decision. Unbelievable

insteadd of vaxination i hired a conganese man to snease on my so age 2 so he could be protected against the ebola desise

So are antivaxxers already immunised themselves but just choose to not do their children even though, obviously, the children have no say in this? My children all fully vaccinated as have a cousin who caught meningitis before the latest vaccine came out, was it B? She had two yrs of horrific clusters headaches, missed school as was living in hospital, and is now left with double vision. Not the worst after effects but after effects none the less, and was traumatic for the family.
No one deserves to go through it.

being on the autism spectrum I take a lot of offence let it be clear through science there is no cause of autism due to vaccines. please do research I beg that you see that anti-vax movement is not need in the modern era