Dr P say's I need to fix my adrenals but....

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I cannot tolerate adrenal glandulars. I'm using nutri adrenal and it makes me feel awful. Jittery, palpitations, anxious, sick. I have cut the tablets in four but feel lousy even on this small dose.

I am also using all the other usual adrenal supports (adrenomax, vit c, d3, complex b's etc etc ) but Dr P feels I need more support. He is a bit perplexed as to why it makes me feel so lousy and hasn't as yet got a back up plan (he is thinking it over).

Oh wise ones of MN any advice or ideas ?

who the fuck is Dr P

Nothing to add but Waffles' reply has made me weep laughing

Adrenal fatigue is a new fad. Basically, a bullshit diagnosis to extract money from people who feel poorly. Maybe I am wrong and you have a medically diagnosed condition like Addison's disease but it doesn't sound like it from the supplements you've evicted.

There are many different herbs in Adrenomax, any one of which could be not agreeing with you. How about switching to a different adrenal support, such as Biocare AD206 which doesn't have all those herbs, just liquorice, which is a restorative herb (keeps cortisol circulating for longer, gives the adrenals a break) although if you have high blood pressure, you should avoid liquorice.

edsheeran. I don't know yet whether I agree with you or not. What do you base this on, personal experience or research? The trouble is I've already lost a few years to another bullshit diagnosis (fibromyalgia) and the desperation of trying to make myself better leads me up all types of avenues!

321 thanks for that link all though i know liquorice is not going to be my friend as my blood pressure can be high.

heymicky. You are easily amused, wish I had that gift

There are recognised and effective medical tests to confirm if your adrenal glands are functioning properly. Without their results, you cannot possibly know if you need to 'fix your adrenals'. It's not opinion, it's evidence.

Why is fibromyalgia a bullshit diagnosis?

edsheeran not sure what tests you are referring to, but I've had adrenal stress tests done and cortisol dhea etc were all completely out of range.
Not sure what other tests I need?

groovee for me fibromyalgia is a bullshit diagnosis because it was given to me after rheumatologists could find nothing else wrong. But after reading extensively it just doesn't fit with me. I just don't recognise myself in the description of symptoms.

If you've had adrenal stress tests carried out by a qualified endocrinologist, and your cortisol response is abnormally low, you need proper medication, prescribed by said endocrinologist, not a load of nutritional bullshit. Your life could be in danger here.

Otherwise, save your money.

What onehand said. If your cortisol is low and been properly tested then you need steroids for the rest of you life. It has to be done by an endocrinologist though and you can die from addisons disease!

What omehand said, the test is called the short synathcen test. If it came back abnormal, you must be on proper medication such as; cortisol. Vitamin supplements are fine but will not address the issue.

It is a fad if you had real adrenal failure no herb on the planet could help! I had a renal transplant and was on high dose steroids for years and basically my own adrenals stopped producing cortisol and no matter how slowly we tried to reduce the dose I did have a few bad episodes of adrenal crisis. I literally couldn't walk or leave the house and was in hospital for weeks!

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Sorry to hear you are struggling with Dr P's regime and surprised he doesn't have an immediate answer.

I presume you have had e saliva test Nd come out below range, in which case it may be that you need something stronger than the adrenal support you have tried so far. Are you on the Thyroid Patient Advocacy forum? I'm sure the people on there will be able to help.

They are certainly less sceptical

Thanks for all the replies. At no point did I say my cortisol was low, it is mostly higher than the range and not particularly following the curved line that you would naturally see during the day. I am particularly high both morning and night. My dhea/ cortisol ratio is low.
I certainly haven't mentioned the words adrenal failure

rockin dr p has mentioned I'm being a bit tricky to treat! He also suspects I'm not converting as I'm showing clinical hyper signs along with hypo symptoms so nice double whammy for me. Just waiting for 24 hr thyroid urine to come through and then I may start on pure t3. He is sure that the wonky adrenals are not helping the conversion but I am really sensitive to glandulars so he is having a rethink!
May head over to health unlocked now.....

I have no idea who this Dr P is! Is he an endocrinologist?

Barry Durrant-Peatfield MBBS LRCP MRCS is a specialist/consultant in the diagnosis and treatment of metabolic and thyroid-related diseases. He has been a medical practitioner for over forty years and specialises in metabolic disorders. He is a leading authority in the United Kingdom for thyroid and adrenal management.

Sorry, I am still not clear. What is the diagnosed problem?

edsheeran the primary diagnosis is hashimotos along with a failure to convert t4 to t3. This happens under the action of the 5'-deiodinase enzymes. With low adrenal reserve this conversion does not take place particularly well leaving me toxic with unsed t4 but my body desperate for t3 . I'm not talking about full on adrenal crisis but adrenals that are working far from optimally . Dr Peatfields method of treatment is to regulate the adrenal glands output in order for the thyroid conversion to work.
This is what we are trying to achieve with adrenal support.

He is no longer on the GMC's List of Registered Medical Practitioners.

No that's right, he's not

He sounds like he's talking woo woo, to be honest.

Why was he struck off?

Hmm, good thing that you're not talking full on adrenal crisis, as that could be - you know - a bit fatal.

When you say adrenal reserve, what exactly do you mean?

In May 2001 Durrant-Peatfield was called before an Interim Orders Committee[5] and subsequently suspended from practising medicine in the United Kingdom for 18 months for offering what the General Medical Council (GMC) described as "controversial treatments" for Chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia patients presenting with what he believed to be undiagnosed hypothyroidism.[6] A support campaign was mounted, led by Diana Holmes (a thyroid patient and author of Tears Behind Closed Doors)[7]> to lobby the media and parliament against "the GMC's draconian policies". Durrant-Peatfield took the decision to voluntarily erase his registration before the end of the case. The GMC subsequently dropped the case and, with it, the suspension.

He wasn't struck off - more jumped before he was pushed looking at that.