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Dragging trolley onto new thread.

Oberammergau manager that has to be the best autocorrect I've seen

It does make you wonder if stressful jobs have an impact (other than making us reach for the bottle of wine more than is good for us ) - there seem to be an awful lot of teachers (including our malt) and doctors (according to my consultant friend) that get breast cancer under 50 - all high stress jobs.

now wondering which IT firms kitkat and foo work for - I worked for the big american one starting with E that was taken of by the other even bigger american one starting with H (who DH still works for)

Glad you're home Gigs. What a complete pain though. You must be hacked off. xx

Ooh no don't shut up Betsy, yay on no.5. Just quickly on what you said, I had my DS when I was 38 and breast fed for nearly a year. At that point 2010, they said they'd started to find evidence that breast feeding could actually increase your risk - my tumour was hugely hormone fed, so they said the pregnancy surge most probably triggered it. I have no idea if that's still what they think, but it's interesting..

Night all. Hope everyone sleeps. zzz

Gigs glad you are home now , bit straight on the phone to your consultant first thing please !

Ruby glad you got the best news possible (I know exactly what you mean when you say it could have been a worse genetic thing !)

Fingers crossed , I haven't been bumped off mumsnet for a while . So hopefully problems solved .

I might have drunk a little too much this evening .

I've had to come up to bed before the urge to phone for a chinese takeaway became too strong .,,

that's interesting smee about b/f potentially increasing your risk - my tumour is pr+ too, and I did wonder if it was the huge progesterone hormone surge from pregnancy that kicked it off?

gigs and ruby sleep well, and I hope gigs that your consultant can give that pesky wound a stern talking to and more in the morning :)

gigs it seemed some a relaxed chinwag, was it the mention of Lord True ? Or just me? Or all that red braid on the uniforms or too much decaf latte....or worries about Edie and Percy the park keeper in 10 years time Hope they sort you out tomorrow xxx

Catching up after two lovely big glasses of wine. So hope I make sense.

Interesting , I'm a program manager too. And also had my children later (36 for dd1, 38 for dd2). And breast fed both for 7 months each. I also am probably too fond of my red wine. 2 biggish glasses most nights .

One of my best friends lives in US. She gave me a book which explains link between stress and ill health (I havent read it yet, but my friend explained it to me as follows: when you are stress your body is in flight or fight mode and your immune system is suppressed. Giving cancer nd other diseases chance to click in).

On another note, my sister had first appt or genetic testing ody. They are very happy to have siblings take part. They will test me on the jihn the results formy sister become bails be.. Ju

I really think that the why? And the what if? is the wrong thing to focus on. Scientifically 95% of breast cancer risk is unexplained, and most of the 5% is family risk. The rest is here [http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/types/breast/riskfactors/breast-cancer-risk-factors]. My Consultant is sure most of my risk was endogenous hormones but that is still based on hypotheses yet to be further investgated (they know high levels of Estrogen, and having other hormonal cancers (I had both ) put you at high risk of breast cancer but don't understand the risk) A few of my friends had either been on high dose Estrogen pills or had infertility treatment so we thought we had the answer but we can ponder on the other 95% diet? stress? Hormone overload? all we like but until we know it isn't worth bashing yourself over. Note stress isn't even on the list and I have seen studies that say the right sort of stress is good, without which you can get Cancer........

www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/types/breast/riskfactors/breast-cancer-risk-factors

Sorry candidates for the other 95% are mainly genetic, hormonal (in the case of hormonal cancers (why stopping the hormones is so important) and environmental.

Smee, interestingly enough I was told the same. MiniminiPic was 8 months old and still being breastfed (although refusing the affected side) which is how it was discovered. I was told pregnancy was probably the catalyst for this too.

Damn steroid insomnia, didn't get to sleep until after 1am - wide awake at 5am.....

pigeons don't worry I'm not beating myself up about what caused it, just my usual need to know the far end of a fart curiosity about possible influences. No point worrying over could have, should have, it won't change a damn thing now. It is interesting to note the similarities in some of our lives though.

The only thing I do worry about is doubling DDs risk, but hopefully by the time she is old enough to worry about such things they will know much more and have a cure and maybe even better testing to calculate risk or a "vaccine" to prevent it or something. We can hope :)

Think I'm the only one who misses my job, I miss the children, the people I worked with but also miss having something worthwhile to do each day. My children are 10 and 14 so take themselves off to school and are both gone by 830 then when they come home they're usually out with friends so they don't need me much.
I worked part time but this year was meant to be increasing my days from 2 to 4 which I was looking forward to.
I'm bored really, lunches out etc are all very well but I'd love to use my brain again and feel like I'm doing something useful. Hopefully I will get to go back but won't be till after Christmas at least

I don't hold with the stress thing, don't think I was any more stressed than anyone else

Betsy sorry you couldn't sleep
Gigs glad you didn't have to wait too long
Waving to everyone else !

Morning all -?
Had late night you betsy as couldn't sleep after my a and e visit then mini gig was up ( of course she is asleep now looking as cute as a button ) so feeling jaded . Back actually feels better now (was sore but assumed was bruising ) but going to take it very easy. Ringing surgeon first thing .

Think I agree with pigeons that what ifs could send you mad. That said my mum whacks on about stress contributing to her cancer and how onc agreed ( she had lump on tonsils). she reckons my various mc Etc caused it.

I have reasonably stressful job (work as accountant at one of bigger firms) but I sort of learned to let that go a while ago so not sure would say it contributed. I know exactly what you mean about missing routine and people and using your brain tho malt.

malt I'm missing my new job too, mostly the kids, especially my 1-2-1 - I'm aiming to op in and see him in a couple of weeks. (it's my old job I don't miss at all!)

gigs fingers crossed the surgeon can sort things our pronto, I've everything crossed you don't have more wound healing issues again, that would be totally crap... Perhaps we both need to schedule a nanny nap for this afternoon!

thanks betsey- am thinking I will probably have to go and see surgeon so may disturb my nana nap which sounds a fine plan. I also have big plans next week ( two concerts ) so don't want any interference with that.

What's everyone else doing today/weekend? Weather here meant to be nicer .

Who are you seeing next week gigs ? Hope you get your back sorted today
Not sure what were up to at the weekend yet, weather is meant to be nice though

Morning All

Need lots of today .
All self inflicted , but heh ho !

Weekend plans are mainly ferrying DD round her clubs .
Horse riding and drama on Saturday .
Like that girl needs a club to teach her how to be dramatic

And the only thing I miss about my old job is the salary

And the only thing I miss about my old job is the salary

Now that is true my salary now is less than a quarter I was on, and that's before it's pro rata'd for p/t and term time! TAs are grossly underpaid IMHO, good job I love it!

Reading back my post from last night - was this last line the wine talking or iPad autocorrect?? "They will test me on the jihn the results formy sister become bails be.. Ju"

This is supposed to say, they will test me as soon as my sisters results become available. (Probably late Dec/early Jan.)

For me identifying possible contributors is forward looking. What's done is done. But I will change my lifestyle to reduce the risk of it coming back.

I miss my job at the FE college, , and my guides unit, and my rainbows. I could still go and help out but I wanted the new leaders to not feel I was watching over their shoulders for the first couple of terms.

On the plus side mumsnet are going to let me be local editor, I have always wanted to sort out the local site as it is woefull. Net Mums local is much better which I hate as I am oddly loyal to this place.

can you take your crochet topsy? Also is your dh still on shorter weeks or is it normal hours now?

Momof2 that's exactly why I was tested - and when I spoke to specialist it was very reassuring about what could screen/ watch for if know about gene . I did it for my kids (tho at moment I am negative on 2 of 3 tests they ran- other is back next week).

Morning all
Gigs = sorry your back is causing problems, - hope you can speak tot he surgeon and get things sorted today - sounds v.painful, and hanging round in a and e is not fun (although I did arf at 'star wars bar scene' reference )

betsy - sorry you didn't sleep very well, hope you don't feel to tired today and can get a good night tonight.

trying to catch up from yesterday (I was out at various stuff all day and then DH came back from Aberdeen in the evening)

My onc, insists my cancer was just a 'random unfortunate thing', - I have certainly changed my lifestyle since DX - i try to eat more healthily and I exercise regularly. I also do things I enjoy, and I do them 'now' (I was a great one for 'I'd like to have a go at that one day',) I try to reduce the crap stuff in life and increase the fun activities - I was very stressed before DX, for various reasons - I am by nature a person who thinks she is responsible for everyone else and has to do everything for everybody - I have cut that out and become much more laid back)

I try not to dwell to much on what the triggers (if any) for my cancer might have been - I feel if I concentrate to much on the various stresses that were in my life and try to analyse them, it might become a bit of a blame game, so for me at least I just try to relax more and be less uptight, and I let a lot of stuff go that I would have fretted about before.

Obviously for those with a clear genetic factor - finding out as much info as possible is very much the way forward. I know mine wasn't genetic, so the contributing factors are less clear, if they exist at all (I know lots of thin healthy active carefree people who get cancer, its very common and I tend towards thinking in many cases its just a shit thing that happens, by some biological chance, to some people)

having said that - I think its worth having a go at some of the maybe/possible things they are discovering that offer some protection, as long as they don't do any obvious harm, and make you feel good.

Oops sorry - long post again - I'll shut up now!

Love to all x

Ooh trice - x posted, - how nice to be chosen as local editor - well done you, that will be an interesting thing to do.

Totally agree on the not anxting over why, but it's interesting how fast the research's moving.

Gig, hope they can sort your wound later. x

GOOD MORNING TOPSY!!

Treats needed, Betsy? Sound essential.

Got to run, but wishing all others are v.good day. Friday, yay!