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MMR DROP IN CLINICS ACROSS WALES TOMORROW - please get yours

394 replies

Mosschops30 · 12/04/2013 21:33

You can turn up to various venues
Ystrad Mynach Hospital
Belle Vue Surgery Newport
Children's Centre, CRI
Children's Centre, llandough

Don't worry if you're not sure If your dc has had booster, you can still attend.

Please protect all our children

OP posts:
bumbleymummy · 22/04/2013 18:03
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JoTheHot · 22/04/2013 19:05

On the available reproducible evidence MMR is the safest and most cost effective alternative. I appreciate Wakefield, Halvorsen et al have conned a lot of people into believing otherwise, but surely we don't want health policy to be determined by special self interest groups.

If I were to wage a media campaign that successfully convinced people that grape seed extract is a safer and better option than statins, should the NHS then offer grape seed extract just because people are asking for it? Patient choice doesn't just mean giving people whatever they ask for.

Is there even any evidence that introducing singles would improve vaccination rates? It would inevitably lend specious credibility to the MMR scaremongers, thereby further reducing MMR uptake. My guess is there would be a small increase in measels coverage, a small drop in rubella coverage and a big drop in mumps coverage? i.e. an overall drop.

Cherriesarered · 22/04/2013 21:39

Yes, why not vaccinate with the MMR? I am waiting for the evidence supporting single jabs from anyone stating that they should be given!

Measles cases in North Wales now!

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 22:09

Evidence? Confused Confused Confused

You're not the first person to ask, but you'll be the first person to see it.

Have you been told "I've said it hundreds of times" or "read the thread" or "read my links" yet? How about "if you can't understand, that's not my problem?"

These are all popular responses by people who have nothing.

AmandinePoulain · 22/04/2013 22:21

From what I've read it was Wakefield who started the whole single jabs are safer thing. With no evidence. (And certainly not connected to his own patent for a single vaccine I'm sure Hmm)

meditrina · 22/04/2013 22:52

A patent for a single jab would have been irrelevant as they'd already been in use for 30 years by then.

And remember, he hadn't been discredited then. His paper had been published in a reputable journal and it led to all sorts of people, including HCPs, wondering what might be uncovered if further studies were made. That's why it was such a crap decision to allow the licence to lapse at exactly that time. For until his findings were further scrutinised, metanayses of other papers carried out and more studies done (wasn't there an influential Finnish one a couple of years later, or have I misremembered?) it was a very different picture.

There's nothing wrong with the single jab. In fact there's a whole pool of the population depending on its efficacy (infants between 1968 and 1988). It's no longer licenced for admin reasons, not medical concerns.

HugoBear · 22/04/2013 22:53

I've heard that the measles is spreading towards Cardiff now.

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 22:59

Ex-doctor Wakefield was in the single-vaccines trade and seems to have made some money out of it, but he was greatly aided by the newspapers who sell more fish-wrappings when there's a good scary story to peddle and they can work up the public's levels of excitement. One might have hoped they had learned from their guilt in popularising such wicked lies.

I see there was a person quoted in yesterday's Sunday Express making similar claims (no evidence was provided). By chance he is a director of a company in the single vaccinations business.

AmandinePoulain · 22/04/2013 23:01

I never said there was anything wrong with the single jab; I just want to see some actual research to explain why some people think it's better.

There is measles being reported by every health board in Wales.

bumbleymummy · 22/04/2013 23:11

I don't think people are necessarily arguing that it's better - just that it's a suitable alternative that will protect against measles.

AmandinePoulain · 22/04/2013 23:15

But why? Why not just have an MMR? If you have concerns about the safety of the MMR, why are singles ok? I just don't get it Confused

bumbleymummy · 22/04/2013 23:20

Well there are obviously still people out there who don't trust the MMR for whatever reason - it's not always to do with Wakefield either. If they are not going to be convinced to have the MMR then the alternative is having nothing. If the goal is to ensure that a high percentage of the population are vaccinated then it makes sense for there to be another option.

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 23:20

I think it's great that there is no-one claiming that singles are better than MMR. It makes things more straightforward. Thanks BM.

So there's nothing stopping us getting on with using MMR to stamp out this epidemic, and preventing the next one.

PJM18 · 22/04/2013 23:21

I haven't read all the thread so sorry if I'm repeating. I'm trying to decide whether to give mmr or single measles to my 2 younger children. I'm reluctant as my older son had a reaction to the mmr called gingivostomatitis where he developed bleeding and swollen gums and blisters in his mouth and he ended up in hospital as he couldn't swallow well. I think the problem is that GP's under report reactions so we don't really know the true extent of side effects.
I'm surprised that people question that single jabs should be offered as surely this offers parents choice and would prevent outbreaks. It's all fine saying mmr is safe but I've read hundreds of reports from parents whose children have had serious reactions and there is a government vaccination compensation scheme in the uk so I think it's fair to say that no vaccine is entirely safe. As far as I'm aware France has very good healthcare so if they offer single jabs then I don't see why we can't be offered them in the UK.

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 23:27

the most consistent advice we've had here is that you should consult your GP. In exceptional circumstances s/he may refer you on to a specialist.

bumbleymummy · 22/04/2013 23:29

Oh look PJ, you did learn something from Saintly's posts! :)

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 23:34

po

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 23:40

I think noblegiraffe covered it very well last time.

AmandinePoulain · 23/04/2013 06:51

PJM - if anyone thinks that their child had a reaction to a vaccine (or to any drug for that matter) they can report it themselves using the yellow card system. This does not need to be done by a GP.

HugoBear · 23/04/2013 07:42

NHS staff now getting MMR, so there can't be anything wrong with it m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22258153

bumbleymummy · 23/04/2013 08:01

What strange logic Hugo Confused They've been giving it to millions of children for years but the fact that they're having it themselves means there's nothing wrong with it?

HugoBear · 23/04/2013 08:02

Cos if there was, why would they poison themselves? That wouldn't make sense.

bumbleymummy · 23/04/2013 08:05

But it's ok to poison millions of children Hmm do you think NHS staff would be ok with that?

HugoBear · 23/04/2013 08:09

If its same MMR then they can't be poisoning children, or they'd be poisoning themselves too. That would be silly Hmm

JoTheHot · 23/04/2013 09:50

bumble could you justify your view that introducing singles would increase vaccination rates? As I said above, the opposite seems just as likely to me.

As we can see from the queues in Wales, many people who hadn't vaccinated, hadn't done so because they had mis-estimated the threat posed by measles.

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