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MMR DROP IN CLINICS ACROSS WALES TOMORROW - please get yours

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Mosschops30 · 12/04/2013 21:33

You can turn up to various venues
Ystrad Mynach Hospital
Belle Vue Surgery Newport
Children's Centre, CRI
Children's Centre, llandough

Don't worry if you're not sure If your dc has had booster, you can still attend.

Please protect all our children

OP posts:

Cherriesarered · 21/04/2013 21:22

My concern is that you have come onto this thread and basically said "well okay, the offical vaccination rate is low in your area but actually it might be okay because people may have got single jabs".

The vaccination rate is according to the letter from NHS Wales sent home with the children in their teens about 75% which is far too low to prevent an outbreak of measles which leaves 25% of teens unvaccinated, given that we lives miles from anywhere and probably many people who didn't give their children the MMR wouldn't have been able to afford to travel or get a single vaccination. Certainly I know people who didn't vaccinate but didn't get an alternative. So this is why we have an outbreak now.

bumbleymummy · 21/04/2013 21:28

It's pointing out that the 'official figures' don't include those who have been vaccinated with singles so it is possible that there is a higher percentage of people vaccinated than has been recorded. It's not that complex a point and one that has been made quite a few times on different threads by various posters.

That is nothing like saying 'don't get your child vaccinated with MMR' or 'single vaccines provide better protection' so where exactly did those ideas come from?

bumbleymummy · 21/04/2013 21:30

You're actually making quite a good supportive argument for one of my posts which was that if the single vaccine had been kept available on the NHS while the whole media scare was going on about the MMR then more children would have been vaccinated. As you've pointed out, not everyone can afford singles.

Cherriesarered · 21/04/2013 21:55

But we have MMR which is safe and effective and when you live a 16 mile round trip to the GP a alot more convenient.

bumbleymummy · 21/04/2013 22:17

Well obviously not everyone thinks that otherwise they would have all been vaccinated wouldn't they? Doesn't negate my point that if you could have gotten the single at the GP then more children would have been vaccinated.

PigletJohn · 21/04/2013 22:19

bumbleymummy

this idea of yours that the shortfall, of hundreds of thousands of people who didn't take up MMR, might not be a problem because perhaps they paid for expensive, private, single vaccinations -

is it based on any sort of evidence, or is it a hopeful guess?

bumbleymummy · 21/04/2013 22:30

What idea is that PJ? How does the 'official figures' don't include those who have been vaccinated with singles so it is possible that there is a higher percentage of people vaccinated than has been recorded.' equate to "hundreds of thousands of people who didn't take up MMR, might not be a problem because perhaps they paid for expensive, private, single vaccinations ".

PigletJohn · 21/04/2013 22:36

you haven't really forgotten, have you?

This idea

I'm just pointing out that just because a certain number haven't had the MMR in your area doesn't necesarily mean that they're all at risk of measles - they may have had the single measles vaccine but this won't have been recorded. Does that not reassure you a bit?

I don't know how many times you've floated it, but these are two recent ones.

is it based on any sort of evidence, or is it a hopeful guess?

BTW you haven't explained what you meant by this

I don't think making false, unsubstantiated claims about the ineffectiveness of the singles measles vaccine is helpful when some people have used it as an alternative to the MMR.

bumbleymummy · 21/04/2013 22:45

Yes, I did quote one of those again myself PJ so clearly I hadn't 'forgotten' it but I'm asking how that equates to:

"this idea of yours that the shortfall, of hundreds of thousands of people who didn't take up MMR, might not be a problem because perhaps they paid for expensive, private, single vaccinations"

Well?

I would have thought this:
"I don't think making false, unsubstantiated claims about the ineffectiveness of the singles measles vaccine is helpful when some people have used it as an alternative to the MMR."

was pretty self explanatory. What part are you struggling with?

PigletJohn · 21/04/2013 22:54

I see you're avoiding both my questions.

is it based on any sort of evidence, or is it a hopeful guess?

and

what makes you think she said that?

Answer mine first. Sorry if it's difficult for you.

bumbleymummy · 21/04/2013 23:16

Here's your answer:

1)I haven't said that "the shortfall, of hundreds of thousands of people who didn't take up MMR, might not be a problem because perhaps they paid for expensive, private, single vaccinations"

so what evidence would you like me to produce for a statement that you've made up?

2)What makes me think who said what? Your last question to me was:

^BTW you haven't explained what you meant by this

"I don't think making false, unsubstantiated claims about the ineffectiveness of the singles measles vaccine is helpful when some people have used it as an alternative to the MMR."^

It's pretty self explanatory. Certain posters have made unsubstantiated claims about the ineffectiveness/risk of singles vaccines which, given that some people who have used singles to protect their children against measles will be reading this thread, is not helpful. Can you substantiate their claims PJ? Do you think that the single measles vaccine is in some way risky or ineffective?

PigletJohn · 21/04/2013 23:20

bumbleymummy Sun 21-Apr-13 20:43:17
... asking Sashh why she was saying that the single measles vaccine was unsafe....

PigletJohn Sun 21-Apr-13 21:16:39
what makes you think she said that?

bumbleymummy · 21/04/2013 23:26

Sassh: "Go read up on vaccine damage from single measles vaccine in the 1970s, then tell me it is better than MMR. "

You could read the thread yourself you know - it's not that long and Sassh didn't post that many times.

bumbleymummy · 21/04/2013 23:27

Your turn now :)

PigletJohn · 21/04/2013 23:59

Yes, I saw "Go read up on vaccine damage from single measles vaccine in the 1970s, then tell me it is better than MMR.

However, it does not say single measles vaccines are unsafe. Does it. It just asks you to show that they are more safe than MMR. Which you couldn't.

bumbleymummy · 22/04/2013 00:11

Actually her post wasn't directed at me (are you sure you read the thread?) so she wasn't asking me to show that it's more safe than the MMR. ( She actually didn't say 'more safe' than the MMR either - she said better) I asked her about the evidence for the vaccine damage caused by single vaccines and she hasn't gotten back to me yet.

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 00:23

you claimed that you were asking Sashh why she was saying that the single measles vaccine was unsafe

you quoted her.

that wasn't what she said.

I asked you what made you think it was.

Are you sure you read the thread?

bumbleymummy · 22/04/2013 00:28

Well I've answered you. If you don't like the answer I gave that's your problem not mine :)

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 00:35

so she didn't say the single measles vaccine was unsafe, but you (falsely) claimed she did. Is that it, in a nutshell?

When you say "false, unsubstantiated claims about the ineffectiveness of the singles measles vaccine " is that made-up too? Or can you find an example?

bumbleymummy · 22/04/2013 00:39

Read the thread PJ, everything I've said and other people have said is there. You don't need to ask me.

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 00:50

I have read the thread, and I am asking you because what you said does not appear to be correct.

I am paying you the courtesy of asking you to explain.

I can see it is difficult for you.

bumbleymummy · 22/04/2013 00:55

Actually, for someone who has apparently read the thread, you've accused me of saying things that I haven't and not answering questions that weren't asked of me so I don't actually have the greatest faith in your comprehension skills :) good night.

PigletJohn · 22/04/2013 01:02

... asking Sashh why she was saying that the single measles vaccine was unsafe....

you said that, no question.

"false, unsubstantiated claims about the ineffectiveness of the singles measles vaccine"

you said that, no question

"just because a certain number haven't had the MMR in your area doesn't necesarily mean that they're all at risk of measles - they may have had the single measles vaccine but this won't have been recorded. Does that not reassure you a bit"

you said that, no question.

bumbleymummy · 22/04/2013 01:12

Yup - now go read the ones you accused me of that you 'forgot' to mention in that list

Tabitha8 · 22/04/2013 17:47

I'm just waiting for PJ to accuse Bumbley of scaring people, spreading confusion, etc, etc, etc. Then she can draw up her CV, too .
We'll be in competition for the same job, but I'm ok with that. May the best man win .

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