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MMR - Did/Didn't you give it to your baby?

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cheeseypeas · 27/04/2006 09:14

My DS is about due for his MMR and I'm still really concerned about it and at the moment don't want him to have it (until he's older at least). Things like the autism rates going up so much since it was introduced, allot of regressive autism cases happening about the time of the jab, Tony Blair not giving it to his kid etc that are the causing for concern for me. Also, have read things written by people who believe their babies have been damaged by it and that sticks in my head. I know that the people that started the scare had ulterior motives etc.

Would be really interested to know of other mums reasoning for having it/not having it and any advice if possible. Thanks.

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tamum · 27/04/2006 19:59

Jimjams, I completely what I am saying is the same as you in that it's "anecdotal". It's not part of a massive study, just our own experience. The difference for me of course is that I'm not having to live with it day and day out. I have absolutely no argument with you, or anyone with what they consider to be undue risk factors, choosing not to vaccinate. I do think (and again I know you disagree) that herd immunity is important, and yes, it was a real factor in my choice to vaccinate. I don't expect you to make the same choice, but this is the world wide web, and I think it's important to air both sides of an argument. I absolutely hate the thought that I'm causing you more pain though.

ruty · 27/04/2006 19:59

i really can see both sides of the argument HC. Its such a difficult issue. More research needs to be done to protect those who may be vulnerable, IMO.

Harpsichordcarrier · 27/04/2006 20:04

absolutely tamum, very well put.
I agree absolutely with everything you say. The herd immunity factor weighed heavy in my choices too.
I do understand that there are many very valid reasons for choosing not to vaccinate and I would hate to think that I had upset anyone by stating my views and my experiences. I am not meaning to dismiss anyone's experiences or upset anyone.
I would hate to think I had upset jimjams or anyone on here (inadvertently).

cod · 27/04/2006 20:05

well i nevr thoguht abotu it
i just did

expatinscotland · 27/04/2006 20:06

i thought about those clogs my mum sent over, though, cod, and i've decided - yes, i'm going to keep 'em. :o

cod · 27/04/2006 20:07

good
glad to get down to fashion
i relaly didnt think abotu it at al
just did it

Sugarmag · 27/04/2006 20:07

Don't really want to get back into it as I think I've already had my say and the whole thing is so emotionally charged anyway. But I did just want to say that a couple of you were right about the comment I made about doctors & mums - that was patronising, I didn't mean it the way it sounded and I take it back. I still stand by my views on the vaccine, but I think enough has probably been said. Besides, we've probably all scared the cr*p out of cheeseypeas by now!

ruty · 27/04/2006 20:18

without wishing to fan the flames again when it is calming down [!] one thing that gets me is the herd immunity argument though. Everybody does what is best for their own child first. Other factors may come into it, but they do not come first. If one really thought a vaccine had a real chance of damaging one's child, i would not believe you would go ahead with that vaccine for the sake of the greater good.

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 27/04/2006 20:19

no it wasn't direct at you harpsi- it was directed at socci. I meant the way these threads make you (one) feel is not worth it. It;s not just an academic argument if you're living with it and there is nothing like being told you're selfish yet again (not by you) whilst you're dealing with day to day stuff that frankly most people can't even conceive of, to send the blood pressure sky high. That;s why I said its better to stay away.

Tamum- I do think herd immunity is important, but I don't think people vaccinate primarily in order to contribute to herd immunity. That's a feel good advantage. People vaccinate because they think its the best way to protect their child. I would never say that its not important- a lot of the children at ds1's school are very vulnerable (and die- that's why the school has a memorial garden), I would never see that as not important. Like Socci its the misrepresentation that I struggle with. Ds1 caught rubellas from a vacconated child because the mother didn't realise that her child could have rubella having been vaccinated. I was pleased ds1 got it as I didn't want to vaccinate him and we were able to stay in and not spread it, but she was out and about all over the place innnocently.

There is no-one on this list who would vaccinate for herd immunity if they thought it was going to damage their child, no-one. Hell I'd love to protect the vulnerable if it was a freebie but I'm not sure it would be for ds2 and ds3. Not enought ot risk it. However I am very sensible about infectious illnesses. Eg friend recently had a newborn baby - was invited to visit her- didn't because I knew ds3 may be incubating chickenpox. I very rarely use calpol, so I don't dose my kid up and send them into nursery. I always wait 48 hours after d and v before sending children back to school/nursery.

BTW tamum I just tried to email you to thank you for your earlier message, and to say thanks for the stuff that arrived today- tested ds2- he passed(!). You haven't blocked me have you? :o

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 27/04/2006 20:21

oh the "you haven't blocked me" question is because the message was bounced back!

chapsgotAtooth · 27/04/2006 20:25

Ruty I completely agree with you but.
Autism is a genetic condition, you are either pre-disposed to it or not. Now as jimjams has pointed out, there may certain trigger factors that may or may not include children pre exposed to therimosil and MMR along with others.

I belive the real danger lies not in the well read mums who argue thier point on mums net, but the ones who superficially glance over the facts and mis-interpret them. Ones who belive that MMR will cause. ones who belive that Measels Mumps and Rubella are not dangerous. Ones who do not know ALL the facts and yet choice not to vaccinate because the heard MMR 'might' be dodgy. And for this reason dont vaccinate.

"herd" immunity in the lager community, not all mums are weel educated or able to interpret the cocherine database the way jimjams has.
This is where the real danger lyes, not in the mums who have read all the facts and restled with their conscience over this.

chapsgotAtooth · 27/04/2006 20:27

lol at spelling of cocherine

Wembley · 27/04/2006 20:30

I prefered your "lager community" actually Chaps

chapsgotAtooth · 27/04/2006 20:33

expatinscotland · 27/04/2006 20:33

wait, chap's got a peg? well done, chap!

chapsgotAtooth · 27/04/2006 20:34

yip, just one! am going to call him gnasher!

tamum · 27/04/2006 21:02

Jimjams, I most certainly haven't blocked your messages, you silly. Good news about ds2 :o

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 27/04/2006 22:07

oh good :) Well your emails are bouncing, maybe the system is down.

Thanks for the article - very interesting- I'm sure imitation (lack of) is ds1'a most fundamental problem. It's all linked in with language somewhere as well but I'm not sure how.

I would apply for the other thing if it wasn't so far away- so thank you for that too!

tamum · 27/04/2006 22:09

You're very welcome :) It looked an interesting article. I shall nick dh's copy and read it properly. Funny about the email, I've had a couple this evening, but all from within the same system.

smurfet · 29/04/2006 00:01

my dd had mmr but i know it didn't make her autistic!! i always knew there was something "Differant" abt her,i just didn't know what until she was abt 2.5yrs,my other 3 dd had it and there all above average at the ages of 21yrs(shes a nurse)18yrs(training to be teacher)15yrs(wants to work with special needs!!)

smurfet · 29/04/2006 00:01

ruty · 29/04/2006 09:05

MMR is only linked to autism in a tiny percentage of autism cases. Autism regression can does happen, but some children are born with the symptoms, some occur later, and some may be triggered.

ruty · 29/04/2006 09:06

can and does i mean.

Riddo · 29/04/2006 09:51

I think I was lucky that when ds had her mmr alot of this info wasn't available so I just did it. I had a huge debate with myself over ds (now 6) and in the end he had it because my mothers' eyesight was badly affected by measles when she was two. It's such a hard decision to make.

btw I'm very stupid (and new to MN) I thought Jimjams was keeping off threads about carpet cleaners. I need to read the acronym list!

ruty · 29/04/2006 10:32

Riddo.

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