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Spoons! Support thread for CFS, ME & Lupus sufferers

937 replies

Grockle · 24/12/2012 23:30

Merry Christmas to you all.

Wishing you a happy, spoon-filled day.

Xmas Smile

Spoon Theory here

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CFSKate · 12/03/2013 10:38
buildingmycorestrength · 12/03/2013 16:34

Prepare for epic post. I'm not doing too badly at the moment, which is nice - but always tempting to overdo it. In particular, I can tell I'm feeling better when I start to get all antsy about the housework and start to NOTICE all the piles of crap that don't get dealt with if I don't do them. My husband says things like, 'Don't go into activity mode now, it won't do you any good' but it is hard to refrain when it annoys me so much.

I have a cleaner who is an absolute godsend - she just does the sensible things and gets on with it, and is very good about me sometimes being in bed while she is here, etc. I can tell you now that not every cleaner is like that so I am delighted with her. She keeps the house from becoming a total pigsty. I know I am very lucky to have her, but it was a 'condition' of me going back to work as I knew I would not cope otherwise, even before I got really ill.

Caffeine is helping - I had not drunk caffeine for literally years until a few weeks ago because I was too sensitive and got all worked up and panicky every time I had it, but now it is the only thing that keeps me awake some days.

I have been freaking out for months and months about the idea of 'What if I am like this forever?' Although I was enormously upset about the potential loss of basically all my hopes and dreams, the main crux of my worries was financial. I work freelance (can usually cope with about 3 hours a day, plus a bit sometimes, and with days off to rest), and I don't have critical illness or disability insurance. At present we can just about cope financially with me doing less work than usual. We can also go into debt (which we haven't really so far) in the short term if it looks like things will turn around.

But if this is going to continue, or worsen, what then? I've been ill for a year. My consultant said 80% of people are better in two years, but there is a real possibility that I have a progressive inherited condition, not just CFS. We could probably cope with another year of uncertainty (just). But if I am not going to be able to work much, or if working as much as I am will set me back, then we need to move to smaller, more manageable house, basically. Which will also be awful and tiring and would involve sacrificing a house we utterly love, but would set us on a more sustainable course financially.

I've sort of come to the conclusion that I don't have enough information right now to know whether we will need to move and that I should stop thinking about it for now and just try to manage the house and kids and working. We'll have more information about this inherited condition in a few weeks and that will be the time to make decisions.

Fuzzpig, I am haunted by your (much) earlier post about losing everything because of thinking you would get better quickly.

Grockle - I am just astonished by your ability to persevere and keep going. It seems impossible to me that you are working. I wonder if your child/ren can give you a lie in on a weekend? It takes a bit of forward planning and reminding but once they hit a certain age it can work. If you have an older child staying maybe they could just sit and watch TV with them from 6-9 one morning? Or could you send them to a grandparent for a 'sleepover'? Just thinking aloud, don't really know the logistics of your situation.

AU - I do think of your 'D'H as a STBXH, if I'm honest. He just seems to be emotionally stunted and unbelievably selfish. As soon as you have ongoing needs, he kicks off. I'm not surprised that you are looking at other places to live, what on earth does he expect? Even if you stay married but he is working away half the year, it would make sense to move closer to your work for your condition. Someone who loved you would be able to (or at least try to) have sensible conversation about this. It must be very draining to live with that sort of toddler-like self-centredness.

Anyway, I hope other people get some spoons soon.

fuzzpig · 12/03/2013 16:49

I am spoonless today. Started getting sore throat and ear last night, and now have massive flu like symptoms. Shivers and all.

DH has his induction day for the sales job tomorrow (he was also offered a day's work on Friday but said no as I need to go to hospital) and on Thursday has a day long interview for a sales management job. Full time.

I didn't feel so scared about the prospect of him working but now I am in full on relapse mode, I have no idea how I will manage!

belleshell · 12/03/2013 17:20

Grockle Thanks your ability to think of others is wonderful, thankyou my surprise made my day.

AU did you get to speak to OH, or did you have to go, one bit of advice from someone who has a ExH is get finance sorted sooner rather than later, when it came down to the nitty gritty i grieved for my marriage lost, ExH fought for every penny and more, and grieved for the financial support my wages offered!!! even if it means transfering small amount on a regular basis to another bank account....even if you managed Hmm to sort thing out why should you ever be left without funds to get to work, and be expected to pay for your own nightmare mothers day meal.... my DP earns less than me and does struggle monthly to keep his head above water but i will never be a financial crutch for anyone again, and as hard as it seem i have to stick to that to protect me and the kids.....

Core when i went to my ME/CFS Group a few years ago the one bit of advice i still use (and have to remind myself of) is that i wasted so much energy (i didnt have) on worrying, thinking, planning for things in the future that i couldnt get through the day to day things i really wanted to, and the energy was wasted because we never know what tomorrow may bring (hopefully a miracle cure for us all, or a lotto win to put an end to all our financial worries). i do slip off the band waggon every now and then (like now i am worrying my contract for my job may not be renewed in MAY 2014!!!) so writing this as reminded me i need my strenght to get through the day let alone another 14 months.... so i will try to put it to back of my mind again.

Tired i too have a thing about skirting boards, if im struggling i pay DD to do it its the best £1 i spend that week, try not to feel guilty, mothers guilt is terrible wheter you are well or not!!!

Fuzz how are you?

Magso smiling and you both?

spoons to you all...x

smilingthroughgrittedteeth · 12/03/2013 19:26

Hi all just popping in to give a quick update and am then off to bed because I'm shattered.

Had a nice chat with my boss this evening about things, she agrees I'm not well enough to even consider going back to 4 days yet so I don't need to worry about increasing days for the foreseeable future, she asked how long I wanted off after my operation and I said the Dr had recommended 2 weeks and I couldn't afford to be off longer than that she said they were planning on paying me as normal and that her parents had offered to have them for a week if needed so she has said to take an extra week off, so I am having 3 weeks off on full pay.

Hope you've all had an ok day

ArbitraryUsername · 12/03/2013 20:06

That's great that your bosses are being supportive smiling.

Fuzz: I'm really sorry to hear that you've run out of spoons. Will you be able to cut back on work once your DH has something permanent?

Building: uncertainty is really difficult to deal with. Belle is absolutely right that worrying about it just steals energy you can't afford to lose. But it is so hard to worry. I hope the results of your tests allow you to start planning so that you can feel more secure. I'm very impressed that you manage to keep up freelance work despite everything.

Belle: I did see OH. The advisor was great. Very reassuring. It's great to have people recognise how hard things are. She said that she didn't think I was ready to be working FT yet and made some useful recommendations (about getting voice recognition software, taking breaks every 20 minutes and trying to negotiate a workload that is composed of a small number of larger tasks rather than a mismatch of every little task that's kicking about without someone's name on it). She's made me an appointment to see the OH doctor and wants my manager to make a formal management referral. She said that the university is more than big enough to have the resources to support me properly and that I need support now so that everything doesn't go horribly wrong.

Financially, I will be ok. Whatever happens. I earn a good salary, which is about 1/3 higher than DH's. And i get very good maintenance from DS1's dad on top of that (or i will again in september, because he gave me a lump sump to cover some house stuff last year). I can afford to support myself and the children. And I can't really get screwed over in a financial settlement. The financial situation at the moment is because H won't pay his salary into the joint account (which is used to pay for everything) and just transfers money when funds are low. I've tried several times to explain why this is not a acceptable situation but he honestly cannot see that it is horribly wrong.

He's being much nicer today. He even asked about my OH appointment (although only after I'd said that's what I did today). He seems to be a bit more reasonable when it becomes obvious to him that I must not be exaggerating/making it up (or whatever he thinks) because actual medical professionals see it as serious.

fuzzpig · 12/03/2013 20:35

I'm not sure Arb - the state I am in right now I don't think I can work at all. I am going to reduce my hours anyway, but I have abandoned my plan to ask the GP tomorrow for a note that says I can't come back until my hours are reduced... because I couldn't even manage reduced hours right now :(

Thing is, if DH gets this full time job I have no clue how I would manage all the childcare, let alone a PT job too.

belleshell · 12/03/2013 21:05

Fuzz, do you think after months of worrying abut work and your DH and his employment status, not it is sorting its self out, and you have relaxed a little about it all, you have crashed!!!! i alsways crash after something stressful, i manage during the time, not very well, and then just when i think things are going the right way Bamm i hit that brick wall and end up bedrideen for a few weeks, its almost like my body says right thats it ive fought your battle its my time to rest now!!! just a thought, regardless i really hope you have a few more spoons tomorrow, and i will cross fingers for DH and his interview etc. xxx

ArbitraryUsername · 12/03/2013 22:35

I crash after stress too. It ruins the holidays.

Fuzz: If your DH gets this job, would it allow you not to work and still to be able to pay for some help with childcare?

magso · 12/03/2013 23:08

Fuzz I am sorry you are feeling so low, but you are right to go off sick, not drop your hours at present. You have a right to sick pay whilst you are too I'll to work.

Grockle · 13/03/2013 03:19

Building - I have that problem too - trying not to overdo it when you feel well. For me, it is partly because I want to do as much as I can to make up for when I'm struggling & can't do anything and partly because it is so good to feel ok-ish that I want to make the most of it! The future can be terrifying, with all those what ifs...

Your cleaner sounds amazing. I'm debating getting one.

DS can give me a lie-in but my little chinese girl has to be up & out of the house by 8.30, even on a Sunday so I need to get up & help her with breakfast etc. If she were older, I'd probably leave her to it but she's only just 11 and it seems mean to let her make her own breakfast & eat it all alone. My sister recently had DS to stay overnight which was lovely for me & for him.

Fuzz, I hope you are feeling better. I was like that over the weekend but it seems to be a bit better. I hate feeling fluey but knowing it is 'just' the fibro and/ or Lupus. Your DH sounds like he's doing well. It will be a big adjustment for you both I should think. Try not to fret too much about the future & take each day as it comes. I think the only way to find out how you manage at home alone is to try it. You might find it easier than you think, especially if you can rest while DC are at school. I can't remember how old your DC are but I think they are still little?

Smiling I am so glad your bosses are so lovely.

AU OH sound helpful, well done. I have my phone appointment this morning & doubt mine will be as supportive.

Glad it arrived, belle Smile

I can't sleep Angry

OP posts:
buildingmycorestrength · 13/03/2013 07:43

I knew it was weird to be having a good patch...totally crashed at 9 last night, suddenly I could hardly move. Am moving veeeerrrry slowly today.

fuzzpig · 13/03/2013 08:02

Even worse today :( at least in terms of my ear/throat - it's like somebody is stabbing my eardrum with a huge knitting needle... and when I drink (not tried eating yet) it's like swallowing razor blades. Which I guess means I have either tonsillitis or an ear infection. Or both. I really don't want to take antibiotics again, I am scared of becoming resistant.

I had a hot bath last night - DH helped. To think we used to wash each others' hair for fun, and not because we were unable to do it ourselves (I've had to help DH a lot when his back was bad). Sigh.

Thankfully a friend is taking DD to school this morning and my dad is coming up later to take me to the GP and to do the midday/3pm school runs.

My DCs are 5 and 3. I will cope better once DS starts school in sept - although it won't be straight away since he's the youngest (30th August) and due to his speech delay it has been recommended that he does a staggered start.

At the moment though he goes to nursery 12-3 each day which means 3 school runs. There's no way I could manage it right now. The job DH is going for tomorrow is still below 20k, although higher than my wage (16k) so maybe we could get a childminder for the mornings or something. Unless there was a space on the mornings at nursery (attached to school) as that's what we did when DH had his operation, but I doubt there's a space TBH.

ArbitraryUsername · 13/03/2013 08:27

You and your DH sound really supportive of each other, fuzzpig. That really stands out from your posts. Together, you will find a way to make things work for you.

It might be worth talking to the school about extending the nursery day both from a childcare perspective and a supporting your DS perspective. Moving towards full days in nursery now should help with the transition to YR and will reduce the need for a staggered start. Of course, that requires a reasonable and supportive HT. Do you have one of them (they can be a rare beast)?

Some of my local schools start the youngest children off first and phase the older children in later. I think the reasoning is that it gives those children most time to settle and lets them get used to things before the classroom becomes too full. I'd imagine children with SN would be able to start sooner within that system whatever their age because they'd need more support.

I actually have no idea how most of the schools I put down for DS2 do it. I hope it's throw him straight in from the start. It'll all seem like much shorter days to him after FT nursery.

fuzzpig · 13/03/2013 12:03

Yes I was wondering whether starting sooner would actually be better for DS - just seeing how much his speech has improved since being at nursery, I think it is a good environment for him. Although quite what it says about our parenting too many DVDs I am trying not to think about it Confused

Anyway. Just got back from the GP, I have tonsillitis, again. Angry They are filled with white pus apparently but she confirmed that tonsillectomies are much rarer these days and I don't meet the criteria for one. Interestingly a few of the others at the CFS hospital group have always had dodgy tonsils too - a couple had them out, but one said she was advised against it because the surgery could cause a CFS relapse.

I have got a referral to physio for a walking assessment thing, and have an ECG tomorrow - needs to be done before I get a referral to a POTS specialist.

ArbitraryUsername · 13/03/2013 15:08

Poor you. Tonsillitis is horrible. I had it all the time from about 10-13/14 when they finally took mine out. I'd have a week off school with tonsillitis be back a week, maybe two and then be off again. It's really unpleasant, and certainly not what you need right now.

I don't think your DS coming on in nursery is necessarily a reflection of your parenting. A different environment and different kinds of support can make a big difference. He'll be getting things at home that nursery cannot provide, so the mix is what is important. In terms of language skills, nursery can actually help with children's confidence because they don't have to talk all the time or they don't have to talk to adults as much. 3 year olds have completely different expectations of each other than we do of them, which can make a big difference. And they learn from each other too (and often learn that they're not the only one who struggles to communicate).

And, of course, I'm sure he's learning all sorts of dreadful things at nursery too. Jokes about poo and such like. Grin

fuzzpig · 13/03/2013 15:39

You're not wrong there.

justtired · 13/03/2013 17:15

Fuzzpig - poor you, i too had mine out at 11 its horrible, sending get well vibes.

Feeling rubbish today Sad
Didnt feel to bad this morning so decided to sort out ours and the dcs wardrobes...big mistake, dp did most of it before work but now my room is a tip and needs sorting before i can go to bed. It did really need doing though.

Dp is now at work until 11.30pm and i decided to take the dc to the shops and libary after pick up time, im now sat on the stairs without an once of energy left, there is shopping on all the sides and i dont have the energy to put it away or sort the cupboards and i still have to do dinber, bath and bed!

I wanted to do a trial run of my ds birthday cake im going to do but dont think i have the energy, but really wanted to do it.

Ive also got pain all in my back and chest im assuming from coughing so much and feet are really bad from the arthiritis.

Okay moan over i will take my bad mood and bugger off now Grin

justtired · 13/03/2013 17:16

That should be ounce of energy and dinner.

Im obviously too tired to spell correctly too!

ArbitraryUsername · 13/03/2013 20:02

Sorry you're feeling terrible justtired. It sounds like you tried to do a lot today. The birthday cake can wait until tomorrow. Your trial run will be better if you are not exhausted.

I went to the supermarket this afternoon and then left the bags on the kitchen floor while I went for a nap. I just couldn't do it when I came in. I'm feeling really queasy tonight.

I had the second counselling session with H today. It was exhausting. It seemed to focus mostly around DS1 and H's really awful relationship with him. What came out of it is mostly that H isn't properly committed to having a decent relationship with him (or with me) and that he really cannot or will not accept that DS1 is a 12 year old boy. It honestly feels totally hopeless as a process. The psychologist described it as 'a mess' (and, despite his professional distance and impartiality, I suspect he thinks it's not fixable).

The psychologist has given H the homework of trying to do something positive with DS1 (and to step back and stop worrying about discipline etc). And he reiterated my warning that it may not go perfectly (and that H has to be willing not to write it off/give up if it isn't). I think this is important because the alternative is H swanning off leaving DS1 feeling like there's something wrong with him (rather than the problem being with H). No matter what happens, DS1 needs to know that he has done nothing wrong. Well, he does things wrong from time to time, but he's just being a child growing up (and that involves making mistakes and hormonal meltdowns and all manner of other horrors).

buildingmycorestrength · 13/03/2013 20:22

AU...I really hope it goes okay. Oliver James (psychologist) wrote about something called 'Love Bombing' which I have used with my son but it was hard work and I was totally committed.

buildingmycorestrength · 13/03/2013 20:37

Sorry, by which I mean, there was the possibility of it going wrong for me and my son despite me being committed, because it was such hard work (emotionally). I was bought in to the idea, could see there was a problem, desperately wanted to set things right,a and it was still so difficult to overcome my upbringing and programming when reacting in the moment.

Sorry if that doesn't make sense, you don't know my back story, etc. Anyway. Your DH might not be capable of putting your DS first, but you know that. Slightly off topic there, let's get back to how knackering all this is for you!

buildingmycorestrength · 13/03/2013 20:39

OH, and justtired, I feel for you so much with the cake thing. I so wanted to bake all my children's birthday cakes...it was a real point of pride for me.

This was taken out of my hands not by illness but by finally realizing I am CRAP at baking. Grin.

ArbitraryUsername · 13/03/2013 21:04

Oh, no. That is useful, building! Although I suspect 'love bombing' is an unfortunate term to have chosen, given that it is mostly used to describe particular recruitment methods for cults!

It is actually not that far away from what the psychologist suggested (and what I would have suggested myself). Albeit our version is starting smaller and less intensively, given the circumstances. I think DS1 would get loads out of a 48 hour love bombing thing with me. But with H it needs to be smaller and more incremental. More because H has to learn how to feel positively about DS1 than anything else.

The psych suggested that we plan an activity for H and DS1 to do together, just to be a positive experience. I think he wants H to plan the activity (rather than to pass the control to DS1) because H first has to learn that DS1 is a lovely boy who can make good choices. There have to be positive experiences to start with. Or at least moves towards positive experiences (and no recriminations if it all goes wrong; and it might, given we're talking about a pubescent boy who thinks H hates him). I suggested they could go on a high ropes course at the weekend (although the weather may put paid to that idea) because it would be fun for both of them. And also it's something that I cannot do with DS1 (or anyone for that matter), so it might help DS1 to see positives in hanging out with H.

H did come home and take an interest in DS1's games on his iPad, which was also positive. Videogames are definitely something they have in common (H has a PhD in the bloody things!) and seem like a good place to start. I might suggest that they (or we) could watch some anime together. DS1 would love death note or FMA brotherhood (he's read both manga series). I just have to persuade H that he should leave his phone/iPad in another room and actually engage.

buildingmycorestrength · 13/03/2013 22:06

How funny that it is the term for what cults do. Although, of course, cults recruit successfully because some people really do need it and never got it from the right places Sad

Start small, good idea.