I have to put in writing that I am taking responsibility for the risk that my baby might die from not vaccination

[StarlightMcKenzie]

The exact words the nurse spoke!?

I'll put something in writing if that is what they want but not that.

Apparently they have a duty to inform the HV of the risks that I am taking and have I heard the recent news oday of all the babies dying?

I'm bloody cross with this nurse tbh.

Sorry ?

Starlight I am sorry that you feel society has not been kind to you and your family. I doubt it was the child with leukemia to blame though.

naughty, you're right to bring it back to the individual from 'society', and I am too.

And pagwatch I would say that giving mine the preschool booster was altruistic. By then they were healthy 3/4 year olds who probably could have seen off measles. Buta at school they could be children who needed protecting so I gave them the jab.

Still not really sure about that naughtymummy.
Will you be giving it again when they are teenagers - begore uni when lots of boys sem still to be getting mumps - Just in case they are potential carriers again.
Chicken pox vaccine - that is available and soe can be very vulnerable to chicken pox?

I suspect I seem argumentative and I am not trying to be. I just kind of hope that you don't give your children what you consider to be totally pointless vaccines just to possibly help strangers.
It would show an indifference to the health and comfort your DC that I would find just a little odd.

Leonie you do know that measles can cause brain damage too, sometimes years later ? Polio causes disability as well? (Not that I have ever seen a case)

Well yes they will have vaccines again as teens (we have already discussed the importance of herd immunity with them) though by then if they refused I would respect that.

I think it depends on your perception of risk of vaccination TBH. My understanding is that mild reaction s are fairly common and serious reactions are incredibly rare.

I would vaccinate against varicella and rotavirus as well TBH.

Of course. Immune response to exposure to or contracting diseases also carries risks.

I don't consider vaccination pointless. But it is most important for the most vunerable children , some of whom need to be unvaccinated. Why is this a disregard for my own children's health

Yes I suspect that it does a bit.

Although I m not sure that that answers my point.

Also not strangers , my brother's newborn, the child in the class on chemo, the asthmatic child, the malnourished child these are the children I am protecting. I thank god every day for my children's health.

The 'pointless' bit is where you said that you don't vaccinate to protect your own children but to protect others. So you were suggesting that even if the vaccine were pointless for your child you would proceed for societies sake.
That was the bit I was questioning - which you now sem to be correcting a bit.

Which frankly makes more sense to me
I could not get my head around the idea of giving a child a vaccine which would be of no use to them, purely for altruistic reasons

My cousin coukd not be vaccinated so my aunt didn't vaccinate his sister either because she wanted to treat them equally.

That was a bonkers reason IMO.

Playing with loaded weapons, as you call it, or being alive, as I call it, is just one of those things that is. You can't avoid it. We know is that autoimmune diseases are very common, and severe reactions to vaccines are exceptionally rare, as such the increased risk appears to be minuscule. In the absence of other complicating factors, vaccination is the revolver with fewer bullets in it.

virii - [eye roll]

I'm sure it was you pagwatch who once lectured me, at great length, about the importance of being polite.

I think it's been a decent thread, - overall. Thank you.

C'Mon Leonie even if you do attribute your Dcs autism to vaccination . It is still vanishingly rare.