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Reactions to MMR - how long do they last?

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MrsMoppetMama · 17/07/2012 18:45

My DD (13 months) had her MMR 11 days ago, she had a bad reaction after about 3 days (high temp and trouble breathing) and we took her to urgent care center. Although this has now passed, she seems to be really out of sorts and has stopped sleeping through. Her normal routine was brilliant as she went down from about 7 - 7. Now she is waking every two hours and is very unhappy. Is this normal? is this because of her MMR or is it just a phase? She has also stopped taking her bottle before bed, is it likely that she has weaned herself? Help! It's been pretty easy going with her up to now so a bit stressed by all this.

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Sossiges · 02/08/2012 13:38

Elane you're so witty and original Hmm

LaVolcan · 02/08/2012 14:27

When did vaccination become common? This link suggests the 1930s/40s for the DTP, and says that the polio vaccine was introduced in 1955. This is a US site so it doesn't follow that vaccination became common in the UK at the same time. I suspect that it was with the advent of the NHS, so late 1940s. Alzheimers is predominantly a disease of the elderly. There is a good chance that many of the people diagnosed with Alzheimers to date were never vaccinated because the were born prior to the NHS, (and certainly not against measles, mumps, rubella because the vaccines were not invented then) so there would be little need for the Alzheimer's Society to query whether aluminium in vaccines had an effect. (My parents were born before the NHS came in and were never vaccinated, but I don't know whether this was the norm or not.)

Of course, we don't know what sort of exposure to aluminium/industrial chemicals/environmental pollutants that those diagnosed with Alzheimers have had.

PigletJohn · 02/08/2012 14:34

I don't understand this. Is anyone seriously suggesting that aluminium in vaccines is a cause of Alzheimers, or is it just a vague and unsubstantiated smear?

LaVolcan · 02/08/2012 14:59

Links with alumium and alzheimers have been suggested, as the link Tabitha gave, shows. They don't mention vaccines as far as I can see.

(If drinking tea is a problem, then I for one had better look out!)

PigletJohn · 02/08/2012 15:06

You mean the document that says "no causal relationship has yet been proved. As evidence for other causes continues to grow, a possible link with aluminium seems increasingly unlikely"

So I take it no-one is seriously suggesting that aluminium in vaccines causes Alzheimers.

Personally I don't eat turnips because of the risk of lung cancer.

LeBFG · 02/08/2012 16:29

One webpage - two interpretations. Tabitha: aluminium causes Alzheimers. Others: there is no proven link between aluminium and Alzheimers.

Who is interpreting the information in a biased way?

Tabitha8 · 02/08/2012 17:35

Is aluminium considered toxic to humans or is it not?

emedicine.medscape.com/article/165315-overview

And no, I don't know if the above link is considered "crankosphere" or not.

PigletJohn · 02/08/2012 18:39

Is aluminium considered toxic to humans or is it not?

I gather you are retreating from the idea that vaccines cause Alzheimers, is that right?

Dihydrogen Monoxide can be fatal to humans, especially if inhaled, and many deaths occur in this way every year, as it is so widely found in homes.

However my assessment is that it is not a significant danger to me.

Do you know how much Aluminium is in a typical vaccination; how this compares to the amount naturally found in a human body, and how it compares to a toxic dose? Those facts are very relevant to deciding what sort of risk we are talking about.

I have a feeling that your apparent fear of aluminium in vaccines is not soundly based, but it will be interesting to know for sure.

Tabitha8 · 02/08/2012 18:51

The link I posted to the Alzheimer's Society was to do the stomach acting as a filter for ingested aluminium.
Read the link. They do not say it causes Alzheimer's Disease. I am talking about it being a toxin.
Read Dr Halvorsen's book about aluminium and how much there is in vaccines. Or, Google it and find out. The aluminium in vaccines is clearly not filtered out by our stomachs.
Now you may decide for yourself if my fears are "soundly based" or "crankosphere" based.

PigletJohn · 02/08/2012 19:03

I wonder what was the point of this:

Tabi I have other reasons why I'm not completely happy about the whole vaccination process. Additives. Aluminium and its long term effects, for example.

And I wonder what was the point of Tabi linking to an Alzheimers website Confused

And I wonder what was the point of Tab asking
Is aluminium considered toxic to humans or is it not?

Some people might have got the impression that Tabit was suggesting there is a danger from Aluminium in vaccinations.

But perhaps not.

Who knows?

Tabitha8 · 02/08/2012 19:07

I give up, I really do. I just give up.

PigletJohn · 02/08/2012 19:10

I really can't be expected to determine what was the point you intended to make by googling.

Tabitha8 · 02/08/2012 19:11

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20010978
Has the research been done yet?

NB
May be considered "crankosphere".
I've no idea if it's been peer reviewed; much less do I care.

Tabitha8 · 02/08/2012 19:13

My links about aluminium were in response to Elaine's comments.
If you don't understand my points, of what interest is that to me?

PigletJohn · 02/08/2012 19:16

Hello, Elaine, can you tell me what was the point that Tabitha was making please?

Was it to suggest that there is a danger from Aluminium in vaccines? I'm afraid I can't work it out myself.

Tabitha8 · 02/08/2012 19:21

"And yet a significant amount passes into the bloodstream. Don't believe all you read in the crankosphere. "
That's what Elaine said in response to my comment of
"As I'm sure you are well aware, our stomachs act as a barrier to aluminium that is ingested."
By the way, Piglet you are by far the rudest person I've ever come across on MN. Ever.

ElaineBenes · 03/08/2012 04:51

Really? I didn't see piglet say anything rude.

anyway tabitha, here's what the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has to say about aluminium
CHOP on aluminium on vaccines

ElaineBenes · 03/08/2012 04:54

Elane you're so witty and original

I'm glad you think I am sossgies but I can assure that I am trying to be neither. It's not a question of wit or originality but a question of countering the dangerous misinformation about vaccines.

JoTheHot · 03/08/2012 08:10

tabitha

You say of a link that you provide that you're not sure if it's considered "crankosphere". Do you mean to say that the information in the link may or may not be accurate, but you don't know, and thus we must presume don't care?

It strikes me as very odd that you think my view that verifiable facts should be verified constitutes closing down the debate.

I disagree that piglet is particularly rude, or even rude. By contrast, Leonie's combination of derision and contempt rivals even vicky pollard.

PigletJohn · 03/08/2012 10:57

Let me rudely say that I don't rudely think there's any evidence to support the idea that Aluminium in vaccines rudely causes Alzheimers or anything else, and there's plenty of good-quality evidence that it rudely doesn't.

However all the talk and links about that is only relevant if anyone was seriously suggesting that Aluminium in vaccines did cause Alzheimers; or anything rudely else. Which is why, on Thursday, I rudely asked if anyone was seriously suggesting that it did, or if it was just an unsubstantiated smear.

I have my own rude opinion, which is that it was rudely thrown in to muddy the waters, and create or reinforce a vague but unsupported feeling of unease and suspicion, but with no facts behind it.

To my mind this might be a dishonest debating trick sometimes used by dishonest people with no true argument or facts. I have seen it before, and you can usually find out is it's based on fact or deceit by digging into what the speaker intended to convey.

However this is just my rude opinion and I would have put it to rest if I'd been able to find out what the point was. However I rudely couldn't. Unfortunately I am just a rude person who wants to get at rude facts and push aside vagueness and unsubstantiated smears.

Tabitha8 · 03/08/2012 17:47

You don't get it, do you? I want proven safe.

Tabitha8 · 03/08/2012 17:50

Jo I was being sarcastic. The Alzheimer's Soc is unlikely to be considered crankosphere by anyone on here.

Tabitha8 · 03/08/2012 18:09

Jo Or were you referring to one of my other links?

Tabitha8 · 03/08/2012 18:12

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20010978
I asked the question, has the research been done yet? The link is about two years old. I presume PubMed is considered reputable, but I'm not a scientist. I'm a parent. No more, no less.

I'm told Whale is crankosphere, but I know not why.

JoTheHot · 03/08/2012 18:36

I'd not heard of whale, so I went to have a look. whale..click..homeopathy..click..homeopathy testimony..click..

'I have a vaccine damaged son [autistic symtoms plus complex neuro-degenerative condition ]who has used homeopathy for more thn 14 years with great success, ....Through homeopathy & supplements [ digestive enzymes & proteases ,vitamins & minerals ]we have repaired our sons immune system...'

Do you still wonder why it's not considered reliable?