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Could this be diabetes?

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Mincepiedermama · 20/12/2005 19:19

My ds1 (nearly 6) has always had big reactions after eating sugary stuff. (Going wild or feeling sick).

Over the past few weeks things have got worse. He keeps on feeling sick (and has been to quite a few parties recently with party food). He's generally very down. He's pale with dark circles under his eyes and he needs to wee a lot.

I'll take him to the doctor tomorrow.

I'm thinking diabetes. Does anyone have experience of this?

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Mincepiedermama · 23/12/2005 22:50

Hox why is it so high? Do you think they just need to adjust the insulin? What else could it be?

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HaveYourselfAKnottyLittleXmas · 23/12/2005 22:52

So sorry to hear this SM. Really hope he is home for Christmas.

My Dad is insulin dependent diabetic (although type 2 not type 1). They are developing all sorts of new things like pumps / sprays for insulin administration now, so it is unlikely that your ds will have to inject insulin for the rest of his life.

Thinking of you all, very difficult to have it ahppen just before Christmas

hoXMASchick · 23/12/2005 22:56

i'm sure they just need to get the dose right. it's so hard for you too, i'm sure. wish i could help more. xxx

Mincepiedermama · 23/12/2005 23:02

Thanks again. I'll just go an pace around some more now until I can sleep. Fingers crossed for tomorrow. X

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AChristmasCarolinamoon · 23/12/2005 23:03

The right amount of insulin will always bring it down, sm - it's just a matter of working out what the right amount is. I think (though this is all a bit too sciencey for me ) that sometimes stress can raise the blood sugar level, something to do with the effect of adrenaline on the liver I think, so maybe getting his head round it all is having an effect?

He is in good hands though, they will know what they are doing.

gingernut · 24/12/2005 11:59

Hi SM, there was an article in Balance (Diabetes UK magazine) this month about a mother and son who both developed Type 1 diabetes in childhood (the son was 3 when it was diagnosed). Not very factual but you might find it interesting and useful. Would you like me to send it to you?

My dh has Type 2 controlled by diet so I don't know anything much about insulin injections but I am sure they are just starting him on a low dose and seeing how it goes. They probably don't want to induce a hypoglycaemic attack by giving him much too high a dose.

I felt really worried and depressed when dh was first diagnosed (he was only 34 which is pretty young for Type 2, and I was pg with ds1 at the time) so I can sympathise. My advice is to find out as much as you can about the condition so at least you feel you know what's going on. Things will settle down and I am sure you will all take it in your stride.

Thinking of you.

Kittypickle · 24/12/2005 15:12

Apologies for vanishing, I've been staying at my Mum's to look after as she's just had a hip replacement, healthy lot we are ! Sorry to hear they haven't sorted out his insulin but as the others have said, the insulin pushes his blood sugar down. If they give too much they will push it down too far and he will have what is known as a "hypo" where he will start to act strangely and become disorientated. As mentioned stress can push the levels up. I'm sure they will sort it out very soon but I think unfortunetly it's a matter of trial and error to some extent to see how much lower each unit of insulin will push his blood sugar.

Things now are so much easier for my DH than when he was a child. He takes something called Lantus which is a long acting insulin and controls his blood sugar levels throughout the day and night to keep them stable (within the ranges of levels in a non-diabetic person. Then if he eats something, he gives himself some "short-acting" insulin to deal with the increase in blood sugar that the food produces. He's found that works really well for him. Obviously as his immune system is suppressed he is a bit more prone to catching things that are going round but not horrendously so by any means. He's grown up with this being part of his life and it's become automatic for him. I don't think it's stopped him doing anything that he wants to and certainly hasn't held him back academically or professionally (he's got a couple of degrees and is the technical director of a fairly high profile small company).

He goes for regualar check ups with the hospital and seems absoutely fine. He did once have a little bit of laser treatment on the back of his eye, but that's fine and they keep a close check on it. He's been put on tablets to keep his cholestrol down, not because it is high but because recent research has shown that taking these as a preventative measure does help reduce the risk of damage.

I've known him for 9 years now and have become good at reading the signs for when he goes low, which have been really rare in the last few years since he changed to Lantus. The only time recently I cocked up was when friends were down (2 nurses) and there was an alcohol related incident which I won't relate in detail, suffice to say that myself (medically related background) and friends were rather red faced in the morning as we really should have known better and we can never return to a certain Chinese in our local town

Try not to focus on all the possible side effects that you will read about on the net. As other's have said, there is so much research going on and progress made that 10 years down the line I am confident that diabetes will be seen in very different terms. Be informed so that you can make sure that his control is as good as it possibly can be as basically this will help prevent the complications that can occur, but don't panic if it takes a bit of time to stablise his blood sugar intitally. For the minute the main thing for the hospital to do is to get his blood sugar levels stable and you all used to the new routine. Reassure him that he will still be able to do the things he wants to do, maybe with more supervision or in a slightly different way for the moment. Have a word with the hospital, I would guess that there are some good books aimed at his age group who have just been recently diagnosed (if by any chance there aren't I'm sure we can write one for him and there must be an artistic MNetter around who can illustrate it for him.) Apologies for the length. I have my fingers crossed that he gets home to you for Christmas.I know it's different, but I have a 6 year old who was diagnosed with dyspraxia & hypermobility a year or so ago and I remember how I felt when I got propelled into a world of hospital abbreviations and doctors. Please CAT me if I can help in anyway.

Tabs · 24/12/2005 15:29

Just spotted this thread. Any further news on whether he'll be out in time for Christmas Spidermama? My brother was diagnosed at age 8 (when I was 5), so it's a condition that my family have lived with for a long time. I'm sure it must be a huge shock to you all, but I would say that it's important not to let him see that you're scared by it all - let him believe that he can be just like any other child as long as he takes his insulin regularly. And I know that this will be difficult (and may sound harsh, but isn't meant to be), but please don't forget that your other children are just as important as he is.

Wishing you all a happy Christmas, and hope that he's home in time to share it with you.

Mincepiedermama · 24/12/2005 16:48

He's home. HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I brought him home from hospital after lunch and we're loaded down with all sorts of syringes, blood testing devices, booklets, dextrose etc. I'm daunted but ready for the new regime. (First home jab in 15 mins - deep breath!)

What wise words Tabs. Thankyou very much. He has a seven year old sister, a 3 year brother and a baby brother and I take your point entirely. I've already been concealing my fear from him, which is now subsiding.

Kittypickle what a fabulous post. I can't tell you how helpful it is. It's inspiring to hear about grown ups who've been living with diabetes for a long time and who're ... well ... alive, well, successful and normal.

Thanks so much to all of you who responded. What on earth did I do before mumsnet? Such support. Such bright and lovely women. Sorry to gush but I mean it, and this is me before the wine.

Happy Christmas. xx

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noddyholder · 24/12/2005 16:50

So happy for you spider!Merry Xmas I know several people with this Will speak to you after xmas xx

Mincepiedermama · 24/12/2005 16:51

Thanks noddy. Merry christmas to you too. x

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MABS · 24/12/2005 17:38

soooo glad to see this. xxx

HollyLogos · 24/12/2005 22:01

So glad to hear ds is home ! Just in time for santa!!

Hope all goes wel with the injections - do contact meafter Xmas if you want - my friends son learned o inject himself very quickly, but now has the insulin pump someone else mentioned.

Hope you have as relaxing a time as possible. Merry christmas x

gingernut · 25/12/2005 00:54

Oh, how great that he's home . CAT me if you want that copy of Balance. Happy Christmas!

AChristmasCarolinamoon · 26/12/2005 17:15

glad to hear your ds got home in time for Christmas Spidermama

tangarine · 26/12/2005 22:02

Hi Spidermama,

I've lurked on here for a while, but never felt the urge to post before (then I couldn't straightaway). I was very sorry to read about your son. Well done for picking it up so quickly, with any luck he will get a good long honeymoon period.

My DS (now 8) was diagnosed with diabetes aged 5. He lives a completely normal life, plays rugby, swims etc, and nobody would ever know that he has a chronic illness. It takes a bit of managing behind the scenes, but you quickly get used to it.

If you haven't found it yet, there is a really good website called "Children with Diabetes" (sorry, haven't worked out how to post a link) . It's based in the US, but there is a UK parents mailing list which has been a great source of help and advice to me over the last three years. There are parents of children of all ages and with lots of experience of all aspects of diabetes. You can sign up through the CWD website.

I hope the injections have gone OK, I remember how hard it was in the early days, my son hated them but got used to them after a couple of weeks and was self-injecting by the time he was 6.

Please get in touch if there is anything you need to ask about school etc.

Best wishes. T

hoXMASchick · 26/12/2005 23:30

hi tangarine . i agree that the children with diabetes website is excellent. i used it alot in my first pregnancy. here is a link

Mincepiedermama · 27/12/2005 16:05

Thanks for the website and link tangerine and hox.

The injections are going fine. He's doing all the finger prick tests by himself. Emotionally he's still very up and down. Also his blood readings seem very high. (Never below ten and frequently as high as 27!) It's all very worrying. I suppose they'll keep adjesting the does until we get it right.

We still haven't experienced hypo (hardly surprising given glucose levels in blood I suppose) so I'm not sure what it'll be like. I'm on high alert. He's quite emotionally up and down at the moments which is complicating things.

I feel ok about it, but I wish his levels were lower as I don't feel I'm properly managing it yet.

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tangarine · 28/12/2005 16:31

Hi, I hope you've got his BS readings down a bit - I find with my DS that he's really moody and easily upset if he's constantly high for any length of time. Your DS will geel better physically once he's come down a bit. It's great he's doing his own fingerpricks. Are you on 2 injections a day of mixed insulin (that's how they usually start you off)? Are you making your own adjustments or are you relying on the hospital to tell you how much to give? We've had almost constant hypos over Christmas so I've knocked down the insulin a bit. T

Mincepiedermama · 28/12/2005 16:40

Hi tangerine. Yes we're on two injections of the mixed insulin today. They've upped in twice in the past three days over the phone. Even so his blood glucose was 33 this lunchtime!!!! I find this alarming but there are no keytones and the docs don't seem overly worried.
I'm not adjusting anything myself at the moment. They still want to establish a pattern for him and work out a regime.

There's so much to remember isn't there? I'm already obsessing on it.

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Mincepiedermama · 28/12/2005 16:42

BTW tonight's Supernanny on Channel 4 at 8pm features a five year old boy with diabetes. I'll be glued to that.

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tangarine · 28/12/2005 17:17

Is it an old supernanny? If it's the one I'm thinking about I didn't watch it at the time but some people on the diabetes list I mentioned to you were talking about it. Apparently the little boy really ruled the house!

The mixed insulins come in different proportions of fast and long acting insulin, so if what you have is not working out you could ask to try a different one. My ds started on mixed insulin, but we mixed it ourselves in a syringe so we could vary the amounts according to what he was eating and what his readings were like. Then we moved onto multiple injections with short acting at each meal time and long acting once a day. He got an insulin pump about 2 months ago and it has made a big difference. T

tangarine · 28/12/2005 17:21

Oh and talking about how much there is to remember, we were half way round the park today when I remembered that the hypo bag with finger pricker, dextrose and snacks was still in the car!

My worst forgetfulness episode was a few weeks ago when I told my DS how much insulin to take for breakfast, then forgot to get the toast out of the toaster and give it to him. School rang me at 9.30 to say that he was 1.5 and it took me all to day to work out why it had happened (in fact until I went to make some more toast that evening!).

Mincepiedermama · 28/12/2005 18:11

So many more opportunities for guilt are already presenting themselves. Hmmph!

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shortcake · 28/12/2005 18:21

HI there - just saw this thread and my heart went out to you. My DD - now 16 - was diagnosed at age 9. It felt like a bereavement and to start with I was so anxious. But she is now 16 - doing really well and has the best blood sugars in the county (for her age!). It will always be a worry but if I wasn't worried about this, it would be something elase and it has NEVER stopped her doing anyhting - sometimes it just means a little more preparation. I'm in a group for parents of children with diabetes and that has been a great support - there may be one for you locally - it would be worht asking at the hospital. Am happy to be of any help if I can.