To not let dd have the HVP vaccination?

[DogGoneMad]

Dh and I really disagree on this.

Leonie, as maths has clearly said. 68 deaths were not caused by gardisil
Read the papers you are linking.

What you think they say and what the actually say are completely different. Do you know what a correlation is? Do you know how it is different from a causation??
This is really important!

In fact there has not been one single death reported as being caused by the vaccines

Please STOP misquoting the data to suit your arguments

That's nearly 300,000 deaths last year from confirmed cervical cancer,
0 due to either vaccines.
Irrefutable fact

Mathanxiety

"The vaccine guards against most types of HPV but not all."

The cevarix vaccine targets 2 strains out of over 100, Gardasil targets an additional 2 strains that cause genital warts. That is not 'most types of hpv'. 70% of CC cases can be linked to 2 strains of hpv but the majority of hpv cases do not develop into cell changes or further on to CC. The other 30% of CC cases are linked to other strains.

Another question: if HPV testing is brought in, will people who have been vaccinated against certain strains of HPV show up as having, or not having, those strains?

PIMS where are you getting your figures from? US/UK/world or a mix and match? It would make sense to include that info when you post figures.

Have posted these links for you before BM, but happy to re post

meta analysis of ALL studies on efficacy and safety

most recent safety data from CDC

further references
Postlicensure safety surveillance for quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine. BA, Leidel L, Vellozzi C, Woo EJ, Hua W, Sutherland A, Izurieta HS, Ball R, Miller N, Braun MM, Markowitz LE, Iskander JAMA. 2009;302(7):750

note this info re deaths:
As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.

There have been no deaths reported as being caused by this vaccine in UK or US

death of UK patient NOT caused by vaccination

Lemonbalm: HPV testing already exists. The artistic trial was one looking at the feasibility of using it and ways of using it in the screening programme.
One of my posts today (or was it yesterday?) was about the relative merits of primary HPV testing versus cytology primary screening. I'm not at my computer so its not that easy for me to go back it. Several areas of the UK (bristol, Sheffield, Manchester and Norwich) have been piloting using HPV testing as a trusted for women with low grade abnormals to help identify those at higher risk of having a high grade CIN.

I'm not sure the comparison with herpes or HIV is the one I'd make. It's more like having a cold that won't go away and tinkers with your DNA. This has the unfortunate consequence of developing into a pre-cancerous or cancerous lesion.

Leonie, your posts are neither helpful nor credible. It is sensationalist and scare mongering.
If a serious reaction is reported or a 'cluster' of adverse reactions noted. The batch will be withdrawn as a safety precaution untill an investigation takes place. This is a safety precaution and a positive measure put in place.
Neither of these two girls problems were caused by the vaccine. - fact

I am not hiding anything, all the adverse reports are included in the data I have posted.

You seem to be having real difficulty identifying credibility of data as well as understanding what CAUSALITY actually means.

These links do not support your argument and the info I have provided has been analysed, investigated and is HUGELY more meaningful when looking at the safety and efficacy of this vaccine

It doesn't matter how many scare reports you post, the info I have given Incorporates these and gives a more meaningful analysis than just a random link (which is all you are demonstrating)

Leonie, You asked people no to present tiered reports of epidemiology, can I ask that you please stop posting dangerously misleading, out of date and out of context info

I have not read the whole thread, just skim read most o it. Can I ask a question that's a bit off topic please? It seems like a lot of people on here really know what they are talking about.

I understand that the vaccine is only given to young girls because one assumes that it's too late for adults, is that correct? If you have only had one sexual partner, and he has only had you, chances that you would be infected would be pretty small, no? In that circumstance, could you ask to get the vaccine?
I am only 23 and think it would be worth it for me as all the above applies. While I am only with one partner now I obviously can't know what will be on 30 years or more...

Very interesting question, MarryPoppins.

It's so depressing that we are given this reassurance - don't worry about vaccine adverse events, there's this marvellous system under which they're reported.

But when x number of deaths are reported we're told: oh that's nothing to do with the vaccination, they were just reports of adverse events.

Please note - they're not all investigated, except epidemiologicially: patterns are looked for, not individual cases investigated.

BB, a death report is investigated. The adverse report and any relevant medical records/autopsy reports examined by a suitably qualified doctor

Could you PLEASE read the information given.

I'm sorry I don't trust a single thing you post.

Thank you lemonbalm, I would be really interested in this as I only missed out on the vaccine by a few years and maybe I should still look into it in my position?

I hope someone with more knowledge than myself comes along soon

Wannabe, the vaccines would be beneficial to you.
Especially if you are sure that you don't have HPV, it's efficacy in your age group is really high according to the evidence provided you are HPV naive ie, you don't already have it x

Bb, ditto. Particularly as you use personal opinion and fact so interchangeably
However, you can't argue with the credibility of my information sources and references
They are much more reliable, evidenced based and scientific than a lot of other 'contributions'

www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm179549.htm

Given the large number of doses distributed, it is expected that, by chance alone, serious adverse events and some deaths will be reported in this large population during the time period following vaccinations. Our monitoring and analysis of reports, including in-depth medical review, statistical data mining techniques, and analysis of reporting rates (number of adverse events/number of doses distributed) are designed to detect serious events that occur at rates greater than expected.

VAERS receives reports of many events that occur following immunization. Some of these events may occur coincidentally during the time period following vaccination, while others may actually be caused by vaccination. In our analysis of VAERS data, we look for patterns of adverse events that may be plausibly linked to a vaccine. Such patterns of adverse events may require further study.

That body of that post is an extract from the FDA link.

Leonie, Lemonbalmm, Juule and others are "on topic" and entitled to discuss their concerns.

PIMS, thank you.
I just assume I haven't contacted HPV so far, because of my sexual history. I guess I would have to talk to the GP to find out for sure though? Last smear test came back clear and unless my long-term DP has contacted it since... I guess the NHS wouldn't want to pay, so I would have to look into the financial site too.