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Thread? worms in bottom?

66 replies

pupuce · 29/11/2005 09:10

OK... so I was told this AM by DD's teacher that this is what she is suffering from.... she went to bed last night and complained until midnight of a VERY VERY itchy bottom. She finally fell asleep and feels fine this AM....
Any experience, words of wisdom? I am not keen to get these tablets I was told to buy, any other suggestions? Is it the only way to get rid of them etc ?
Thank you

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cod · 29/11/2005 19:48

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Blandmum · 29/11/2005 19:49

They are white btw.

cod · 29/11/2005 19:51

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pupuce · 29/11/2005 19:58

Well she has taken the remedy twice, and is now asleep.... cross fingers she stays this way.... not saying it's over but at least she is asleep.
Doing a search on the web I have discovered quite a bit.... and to think I knew nothing this AM!

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NotQuiteCockney · 29/11/2005 20:11

Yeah, I know, re: brits and suppositories. I don't think North Americans are any more keen.

I wonder if our Continental neighbours, who are more comfortable with suppositories, have any?

I think a suppository, or local cream solution, would have to be repeated for a few days. But it would be less offputting, as you wouldn't be ingesting things, per se?

(Although, really, now that I think about it, things in suppositories end up in your bloodstream pretty easily, right?)

NotQuiteCockney · 29/11/2005 20:12

(h)mb, since you are the gut-parasite-expert - do other worms, which work higher up the digestive tract, make you hungrier?

Blandmum · 29/11/2005 20:17

Not an expert.

Even big tape worms (and these buggers can grow to the lenght of a car easily!) don't eat that much, compared to a human. Worms are realy only a probelm in children who are malnourised as well....they have no food to spare IYSWIM Also tropical worms can be very nasty, can affect the eyes etc

blueteddy · 29/11/2005 20:24

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peachandpear · 29/11/2005 20:39

Martianbishop - Oh my goodness INHALE them!!! Never knew that! Eerrrgh!

Blandmum · 29/11/2005 20:43

Most common way to get them is via the mouth, biting nails etc (Yucky enough in itself!)

But yes, you can get them this way.

I can assure MN I am very good at washing hands and am not in the habit of ingesting poo!

But when ds got them I did too, and can only assume I got them this way!

Blandmum · 29/11/2005 20:48

have a shufti at this!

Makes labour seem a doddle

'Pinworms are in the family Oxiuridae. Oxyurids are noted for their close coevolution

with their hosts and their high degree of host specificity. Thus, oxyurid species tend to be

restricted in the number of hosts they infect and oxyruid phylogeny parellels the phylogeny of host

organisms. The life cycle of the human pinworm, E. vermicularis, is unique among

pinworms in its capacity for aerosol transmission. Aerosol transmission is achieved by the

desiccation and bursting of nocturanlly active females. Pinworm females exit the anus at night

and lay their eggs on the perianal folds. During this period, the females are subject to desiccation

due to air contact. The drying bodies of the females contract and eventually burst, showering

eggs into the air. Thus, pinworm females literally explode to dessiminate their eggs. The eggs E.

vermicularis are also highly evolved such that they are light and float in the air. The eggs are

nearly embryonated at the time of release.'

NotQuiteCockney · 30/11/2005 09:27

I'm thinking the "not an expert" thing is false modesty! Face it, (h)mb, you're the internal parasites expert.

I can be the face mites expert, ok?

cod · 30/11/2005 10:41

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foxinsocks · 30/11/2005 10:53

NQC, I think the worm stuff you get over the counter (Ovex - the tablets or the banana tasting liquid) isn't absorbed massively into your system - I think it's one of those things that goes into your stomach and comes out the other end fairly quick sharp (i.e. you don't fully ingest the chemical stuff). I'm not a medical person but seem to remember being told this when we lived in Africa and were constantly being dosed with Vermox!

Worms are a right pain to get rid of, even with superb hygiene measures. If you have small children at pre-school where there is a sandpit, this can be a great source of reinfection (lots of hands in the sand which have been scratching bottoms)!

NotQuiteCockney · 30/11/2005 10:58

I'm sure you're right, FIS. It only needs to work in the gut, not in the rest of your body. But it's not allowed for pregnant/breastfeeding women, etc etc. So either it's not totally innocuous, or they just haven't tested it enough.

foxinsocks · 30/11/2005 11:05

my gran (when we lived abroad) was sitting at the table eating porridge with us at breakfast time when she ran to the loo screaming. She had literally pulled a massive tape worm out - it was absolutely huge and I don't think I've ever seen anything so foul! Tape worms certainly make you quite hungry (and you don't put on much weight).

There was a problem on the BBC ages ago where they got some poor bloke to swallow meat infected with a tape worm thing and monitored what happened to him (he had to sieve his poo so we could see the tape worm segments coming out!). They also put died lice on a human body (on the tummy) to show the crabs went to the pubes and the nits went to the head!

foxinsocks · 30/11/2005 11:06

problem = programme!

foxinsocks · 30/11/2005 11:06

died = dyed

gloworm · 30/11/2005 11:36

martianbishop, I'm not 100% sure of the answer to your question about stomach acid, but I assume it is not a problem as papayaforce does seem to work (have had good feedback from several customers in my shop).
The bioforce tincture goes straight into the bloodstream and not through the stomach, I guess this is why the stomach acid is not a problem. (am oversimplifying here so don't quote me )

NotQuiteCockney · 30/11/2005 11:39

Um, the worms aren't in the bloodstream, though.

And I'd be worried about something that could "dissolve the outer cuticle of the worm" floating around in my bloodstream, frankly.

gloworm · 30/11/2005 11:45

it is extracted from the fruit, papaya...so totally natural and harmless.

cant find the words to decribe how this all works, many remedies are absorbed through the blood stream, many pharmaceutical ones are too. they go through the bloodstream to where they are needed.
(have a toddler on my lap so cant concentrate on writing proper explanation!)

NotQuiteCockney · 30/11/2005 11:46

Um. Natural is not the same thing as harmless! Can't you make ricin gas from some sort of bean?

I hate the "oh, it's natural, so it's better" thing. Sometimes that's true, sometimes it isn't.

gloworm · 30/11/2005 11:49

i know i'm not using the right words to get my point across, by natural I mean it is a fruit, its not some weird remedy.
I have a BSc in nutrition and I agree with you that there are loads of "natural" things which are harmful, so I dont use the term lightly.

gloworm · 30/11/2005 11:52

must go see to DD, just wanted to add that Pupuce asked for alternatives as she was not keen on using the tablets she was given.
I'm not saying papaya is better, I just trying to answer her original question.

Blandmum · 30/11/2005 16:39

glowworm, deadly nightshade it toaly natural, for that matter so is the worm! Does make it harmless.

How is it absorbed if not through the stomach?

It is far too large to be absorbed through the mucous membrane. Prtoiens cannot be absorbed, they are too big, they have to be broken down by enzymes in to amino acids. Amino acids are small enough to be absorbed by the villi of the small intestine. Papain is far too large.

I'm all in favour of people having choices but I'm facinated to have an answer as to how it works.