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Original poster

what would you say to gp and hv....goinig to lose my temper...

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lucykatie · 02/11/2005 09:55

ji, i posted on her over a week ago regarding my dd age 13 months as she has had the runs for 12 days now.

i did take her to our gp and he told me to wait another week!!!!!!

was not happy so took her to another gp and he told me to let it pass and see my health visitor, at this time my dd had the most terrible nappy rash due to all the messy nappies, i asked what he could give me and he told me that there was nothing he could do, advised me to use cream and change nappies more often.....like i wasnt doing that already!!!!

its now day 12 and no change, she is lethargic and very clingy, got an appointment with hv but really will lose it if she doesnt help me more..

am i being unreasonable here???

help...

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Mum2OneAndBump · 02/11/2005 09:58

No you are not, i am sorry your DD is suffering like this, You ust trust your instinct no one knows your child like you do, i would keep pushing & demand more answers as its been going on a while now. What cream are you using on her rash?

expatinscotland · 02/11/2005 10:00

ring NHS direct after hours and see if they can set up an after hours appointment at the infirmary for you. that's what i did. lay it on thick, too.

that's ridiculous! the poor soul is probably dehydrated.

Socci · 02/11/2005 10:00

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Nbg · 02/11/2005 10:02

Agree with the others. Keep pushing and insist they do something about it.

Thats so stupid making you wait that long.

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lucykatie · 02/11/2005 10:06

using vaseline on her 'bits', gp told me to use sudocreme but in the past it has made nappy rash worse so i avoid it.

she is not eating right and doesnt drink much either, only one beaker, if that per day, so my thoughts was on the dehydration but he reckons she isnt.
she still plays with toys etc and he says that its a good sign that nothing is wrong.......WELL WHY THE HELL HAS SHE GOT THE RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!

the nappies [sorry about this] are not even looking like poo, they look the same as her dinner when it went in her mouth, so she isnt digesting surely!

they are so smelly and green or yellow eggy type mucus mixed in.

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Nemo1977 · 02/11/2005 10:07

if you get no help I would take her to either a walk in centre or to the hospital and just let them know you are very concerned about the amount of time etc.

LIZS · 02/11/2005 10:12

tbh I'd really limit her diet for a week or so - plain stuff such as rice, toast, watery soup and no dairy unless it contains "good" bacteria like probiotics. I'm just recovering from a similar bug (see my Gastro Enteritis thread) and you need to get the system going very gently with small portions otherwise it just reappears too quickly. Perhaps ask your HV about recommending probiotic powders which you could disguise in water or weak juice to raise her natural defences. Agree you should take a sample if poss too - just to rule out a bacterial infection since most are viral.

MusicLover · 02/11/2005 10:14

That is just absolutely ridiculous, Im not surprised you are angry-I would be fumin !!!

You can give her Dioralyte. But it says on the back of the pack that infants under the age of 2 should be seen by a DR asap, if symptoms persist & no improvement is seen after 36 hrs you must seek medical advice immediately.

WHY are they taking this so lightly! Your poor dd must be dehydrated.

Damand they do something- Go Girl Give them your all.....

Hope they sort it-keep us posted.

MusicLover · 02/11/2005 10:19

kamillosan (sp) is great for babies bottoms, used it on my dd when she had the poo's. Its got beeswax in it & its really effective.

I was told by a friend that when infants poo's are green it means they have tummy ache-has any one else heard of that?

Bozza · 02/11/2005 10:19

Think you need a doctor for this definitely. Don't think a health visitor is any good for actual illness. Have you tried giving her diaralyte to counter the dehydration?

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lucykatie · 02/11/2005 10:21

i think they are taking it lightly due to the fact that she doesnt look ill, she is her usuall happy self but i notice the change in her.
but thats not the point is it? she should not have this happening to her for so long.

my mum says to really lay it on when i go and they should do something, but i hate doing that its like lying to them.

my mum says to say that she is ill and that she is upset all the time etc,.

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lucykatie · 02/11/2005 10:23

the gp told me that i should MAKE her drink more....i did ask him how to make a 13 month old drink....he never answered me.

i asked him to give me some dyrolyte and he said water is just as effective!!!

So, how do you make her drink????

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daisy1999 · 02/11/2005 10:23

you know your baby (and even if you didn't this isn't right). Insist they do something or take her to a and e.
Metanium is fantastic for a sore bum, it clears it up almost immediately.

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lucykatie · 02/11/2005 10:24

matanium, is that from the chemist....never heard of it to be honest but willing to try.

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tweetyfish · 02/11/2005 10:29

I would also go back to the docs and insist that something be done. My eldest also doesn't look particularily ill when he's poorly, but you still know as their mum and a doc just hasn't got that knoweldge of individual kids.
I'm afraid that I would get another doc to see, ring up NHS Direct, and maybe even take her to casualty if nothing was done about it by the docs and I was still worried. It's just not on in a babe that little to be poorly for so long!

I don;t know if this works or not, but my mum told me that when babies are dehydrated if you pinch (lightly, obviously!) their tummy skin it'll stay pluckered (if that't the word) but bounce straight back if not IYSWIM

k74 · 02/11/2005 10:30

I had to get more fluids into my dd when she was constipated and a lovely nurse advised me to gived her jellies, ice lollies, soup - anything fluid based really to keep her hydrated.

highlander · 02/11/2005 10:30

I use Drapoline on DS's bum if he gets a rash. It's pink, contains an antiseptic and seems to sooth him almost immediately.

Can you take her to a paediatric A&E? Do you live close to a big teaching hospital with this facitlity?

is it possible that the runs are disguising constipation?

acnebride · 02/11/2005 10:31

i'm sure this is no help but my FIL is a retired GP and when I ring him about ds he really only asks two questions - is he drinking, does he seem reasonably cheerful. if either of these is not the case i would ring nhs direct, try the GP again, maybe try ringing your GP out of hours and see what that service says. it's a very very long time for this to go on imo.

if both those things are OK then i personally would not worry too much. re nappies, metanium you can get from the chemists, for me the only thing I found worked with nappy rash was just to take the nappy off and put towels down on any carpets! maybe just a muslin wrapped round her bottom to catch the worst?

gingernut · 02/11/2005 10:36

metanium you can get without a prescription, most chemists stock it (I think on open shelves next to sudocrem).

I hope your hv refers you back to the doctor and that they take you seriously this time. I think they need to send a sample off to see if they can work out what is causing this.

My ds2 had a bug earlier in the year which lasted for several weeks! He was not ill and was still drinking his milk OK (was only about 3 months so not on solids) and not being sick, just 10 or so horrid nappies per day and a sore bottom. hv gave me the brush off - said it was perfectly normal! In the end he did get better and no harm done. They are actually very resilient, so don't worry too much, but I do think she needs to be seen again.

HTH.

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lucykatie · 02/11/2005 10:37

what do you mean are they disguising constipation....sorry bit thick!!

our hospital is pretty good so could go there.

when she has the runs she is crying in pain and moaning, would be this the pain due to nappy rash or forcing it out.

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LIZS · 02/11/2005 10:41

Agree with Metanium or you could try Bepanthen. Layer it really thickly. Ask the hv to check the nappy rash in case it is thrush and needs a stronger prescribed cream. However a hv can't prescribe so she have to refer you back to the dr - are the surgeries held simoultaneously to enable this ?

highlander · 02/11/2005 10:42

lucy - some of the mums on here say that if constipation is really bad then some poo can 'squirt' around the blockage so that it looks like the runs, but the real problem is constipation. Hope that makes sense.

TBF, there may be some guidline about kids and runnybot that your GP is following, but that we are completely unaware of.

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lucykatie · 02/11/2005 10:46

my gp and hv are all in the same surgery, its a clinic.

if the gp was to tell me the guidlines and what he was thinking and the truth i would be ok, but they tend to withhold info and just tell you to get on with it.....not helpfull.

just waiting for dd to wake up then going to hv, if she says i need to take her to gp i will demand that they get one to her whilst i am there as sick of going to the gp surgery to be honest.

it cannot be good for her or me.....also going through nappies like an express train!!!

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lucykatie · 02/11/2005 10:49

also the amopunt she is passing is incredible and its all runny, if it is squirting through a blockage would some of it be solid -ish.

and going through around 8 nappies in about 3 hours and they are full and sometimes leaking out of the sides if i am not quick enough.

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littlerach · 02/11/2005 10:52

I don't know if this is any help tp you, but DD1 has @toddler diarhoea' when she was just over a year, which sounds like you describe, watery but with whole bits of food in. It lasted ages and HV said there wasn't much they could do as she was fine in all other ways. She did advise limiting high fibre foods, as this could ahve been a cause.
But they should take you seriously.