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Pleural effusion or malignancy

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spiderslegs · 08/04/2011 01:16

My most beloved father has been told he has one or another & is going for a CT scan on Monday.

He has led a blameless life as far as his lungs are concerned & still climbs in the Himalayas in his 60s, tell me it's the former, & if so, what does that mean?

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cloudydays · 08/04/2011 02:31

I'm sorry to hear that your dad isn't well.

My own beloved dad had pleural effusion as a result of congestive heart failure following a major heart attack. In his case, the left ventricle of his heart wasn't working properly and somehow that caused fluid to build up in the pleural space (between the lungs and chest wall). This meant that his lungs couldn't expand and so he was short of breath and uncomfortable, and couldn't lie flat without feeling like he was suffocating. It used to happen every few months, and when it did, he had to go to hospital for an outpatient procedure to remove the fluid. Basically they insert a long needle through the back into the pleural space and drain the fluid into a bottle. It takes less than five minutes, then they send you home with antibiotics. The relief for my dad was immediate.

There are a lot of causes of this, some more serious than others. From what I understand it can be a once-off bacterial infection or pnemonia that causes it, or it can be something more serious like heart failure or cancer.

You'll notice the past tense when I'm telling you about my dad, and I hesitated to respond because I understand how anxious you might be and don't want to add to that by telling you a story about someone who had this and died :( . But this isn't what he died of, not directly. He died of the heart disease that caused the pleural effusion. And my dad (who had a heart of gold) was unfortunately a two-pack-a-day smoker and would not willingly have climbed a step-ladder, never mind the Himalayas :) He died four years after his heart attack, and the heart failure (and resulting pleural effusion) occurred in the time between those two sad events.

My grandmother also had congestive heart failure, occasionally suffered from pleural effusion, and lived a good life with the condition for twenty years. She died at 89.

I really hope that your dad gets good news from his scan and is back climbing mountains soon. :)

spiderslegs · 08/04/2011 02:52

Thank you Cloudy

He has to get back his mountain climbing soon.

I really can't accept an alternative.

I need him. He's my favourite man ever, even DH loves him. So sorry about your's.

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piprabbit · 08/04/2011 03:29

Pleural effusion is basically fluid in the pleural cavity.
I suffered from this when I had double pneumonia and pleurisy - it was caused by the infection.
I had drains (like the needle that Cloudy describes, only a tube attached to a bag so that it can stay in place for days) put in so that the fluid could drain off, plus loads of other treatment for the infection. I was in hospital for several weeks. It did all cause some scarring on my lungs, so I still have reduced lung capacity, but 12 years later I have become a mum and live a full and active life (not up to the mountain climbing though).

As Cloudy says, there are 101 reasons why people get a pleural effusion. It is really just a symptom of something else. If your dad is diagnosed with this, then the next step will be to find out (and treat) what is causing it.

I hope the CT scan goes well and that your dad is soon feeling better.

cloudydays · 08/04/2011 03:36

I'm up with a teething baby. I hope it's not anxiety keeping you on Mumsnet at 3am.

I understand your feelings about your dad (not exactly, of course, but my love for my father is just like what you said about yours. dh loved him, but knew that he was always going to be second in my affections as long as dad was around :) ). The worry is the worst thing in the world.

There's every reason to think, based on your dad's lifestyle and general health, that he is one of the people who gets a random infection and ends up with the annoying, but not devastating, symptom of pleural effusion. I am kind of sorry that I shared my dad's story with you because he had a serious disease and didn't get a happy outcome and that means nothing in relation to your own father's illness / prognosis. As I said before, the effusion didn't kill him, his heart just gave out. If it hadn't been for the goddamn fucking cigarettes heart attack he could have lived with the lung problem for decades, like his mother did.

I hope you don't mind that I took a peek at your profile page. If you're still up worrying about your dad, try this:

"And all shall be well & all shall be well & all manner of things shall be well."

Repeat until sleep comes. :)

cloudydays · 08/04/2011 03:43

piprabbit bit of a x-post there. Blush several weeks in hospital and scarring on the lungs sounds a bit more than "annoying". Sorry. And I'm glad you recovered well.

spiderslegs · 08/04/2011 03:46

Thank you both.

Really, I am up worrying, I keep weeping, I had my second MC in a year a couple of weeks ago, & can't bear it if there's anything wrong with my dad,

I think it's just much sadness expressing itself.

But thanks - Julian of Norwich is always a comfort, all will be well.

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spiderslegs · 08/04/2011 03:50

PS Cloudy - good luck with the teething baby - 'this too shall pass'

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piprabbit · 08/04/2011 03:53

Spiders, you have so much on your plate to deal with ATM as you are recovering from your MC, no wonder you are worrying about your dad. Hormones and emotions all over the place Sad.

Try to put the worry aside for a few days and get yourself rested and healthy.
I'll do you a deal - I'll log off and try to sleep if you will Grin.

spiderslegs · 08/04/2011 04:00

Pip I will, (try) thank you.

& WTF aren't you in bed?

I love you women - you're always here.....

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piprabbit · 08/04/2011 04:02

Raging insomnia....

Right, I'm off. 3 hours til the DCs get up.

Night, night. Sleep tight.

spiderslegs · 08/04/2011 04:07

Ahhhh- That's another thread in itself.

& as Cloudy took the liberty of a peek at my profile so I did at yours - go to bed & d'night Essex Girl.

& thank you.

Good to know there's someone out there in the dark....

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CheerfulYank · 08/04/2011 04:19

It's only 10 or so here. Good luck, I love my dad to bits and would be terrified too. Try to get some rest and not worry too much until you know more. (Easier said than done of course!)

I'll be thinking of you and your dad and sending you good vibes.

spiderslegs · 08/04/2011 04:24

Thanks too cheerful.

I hope you get to the UK one day.

We're ok here.

I lived in the states for five years, I akways had a soft spot for you yanks.

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piprabbit · 08/04/2011 13:55

Hope you went to bed at 04:24:22...

How are you doing today spiders?

spiderslegs · 09/04/2011 22:13

Thank you all, I went to bed, twitched for a while, but slept, the DCs hit me on the head with duplo to wake me up.

They were late for nursery.

I am a bad mother.

I am, I have self medicated for the last four weeks.

I've let thoses little buggers down.

But I love them.

& am flawed. If you cut me, do I not bleed?

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Honeybee79 · 09/04/2011 22:21

Sorry to hear you're having a tough time Spiders.

I often chant "This too shall pass" as I stumble through the week.

I hope you get some rest.

CheerfulYank · 09/04/2011 22:40

I say "It is what it is." Helpful. I like it.

I hope you get some rest too. Good vibes still coming your way.

spiderslegs · 09/04/2011 22:42

Honey - thank you - always this too shall pass.

& all shall be well, & all shall be well. And all menner of things shall be well.

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spiderslegs · 09/04/2011 22:45

Cheerful - You like Battlestar?

Just call me Cara Starbuck Thrace.....

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CheerfulYank · 09/04/2011 22:48

"Like" is a bit mild of a word for how I feel about BSG :o

CheerfulYank · 09/04/2011 22:49

And I love Starbuck! And Helo...but in a completely different fashion. :)

duckypoo · 09/04/2011 23:21

Has your Dad had any other symptoms? My Mum was a lifetime smoker and sadly died of lung cancer, she had lots and lots of symptoms before diagnosis, and frankly the last time I saw her "healthy" she looked like death warmed up.

Fingers crossed for your Dad, if he has lived a healthy life the chances are good Smile, when will he find out?

spiderslegs · 09/04/2011 23:39

Cheerful

Jeysus, I miss those frackers

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CheerfulYank · 10/04/2011 00:09

So say we all, Spider . So say we all.

spiderslegs · 10/04/2011 00:54

So Say We All

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