is wireless technology good for our children?

[djshed]

I am posting this to help raise awareness of my condition and to hopefully protect all of our children in the future.

Having recently discovered that i am electro hypersensitive (ehs) i have discovered some very disturbing facts about our children's schools their wifi access and the effect our mobile and wireless communications are having on our children. This includes digital baby monitors.

We all enjoy the convenience mobile technology gives us but there may be serious health risks, especially for children.

A classroom fitted with wi-fi means that the children and staff are exposed to constant low-level microwave radiation. A small number of people are likely to suffer symptoms like headaches as a result.

Everyone is affected cumulatively by this exposure and current evidence suggests that children may be more likely to develop medical problems during childhood, as well as cancers and other serious illnesses later in life.

Low-level microwave radiation has also been linked to problems with cognitive skills, particularly memory, concentration and reaction time. Read more about the health effects...

Of particular significance for children are studies which indicate that children absorb more radiation in the brain than adults which may indicate a greater risk of brain tumours.

I have spoken to my four year old son's head teacher and that very afternoon she started to remove the DECT cordless landline phones from the class rooms, this is a great start but the wifi and mobile phone signals are still there. i want to protect my child, what will you do to protect your's from this invisible pollution??

if you have any information on how we can get the schools to take notice and ado[pt a cautionary approach towards this growing technology please respond, also if you want to find out more then respond and lets all get communicating with our children's schools.

many thanks for reading

Thanks EngelbertFustianMcSlinkydog, i have said that this could be an option,much to my partners shock and horror, i think there are fears that he may the social interaction? but i would love to home-ed.

Oh and tin foil hats don't work! now something in the electro clothe would be great though.

Yes, I stand in front of my microwave and peer in while cooking. If a microwave is leaking anything strong enough to harm you, then it's defective!

Can you point to where in the iphone manual it says to hold it an inch away from me? Because I've read the relevant section (page 7 and 8 in my manual) and actually it goes through exactly how it was tested to meet Euro and US standards on emissions in standard operating positions (at the ear and on the body) - even the on-the body test was done at only 15mm from the body, and came in at just over 1/3 of the applicable limit.

Misguided is one thing, propogating flagrant (and easily checked) lies is another.

This is worth reading. Scroll down to the bit about precautionary measures.

Actually I'll C&P for people not inclined to click on links, since there's a lot of mischief about tonight. Here:

Precautionary Measures and health advisories

Some national radiation advisory authorities, including those of Austria,[5] France,[79] Germany,[80] and Sweden,[81] have recommended measures to minimize exposure to their citizens. Examples of the recommendations are:

Use hands-free to decrease the radiation to the head.
Keep the mobile phone away from the body.
Do not use telephone in a car without an external antenna.

The use of "hands-free" was not recommended by the British Consumers' Association in a statement in November 2000 as they believed that exposure was increased.[82] However, measurements for the (then) UK Department of Trade and Industry[83] and others for the French l?Agence française de sécurité sanitaire environnementale[84] showed substantial reductions. In 2005 Professor Lawrie Challis and others said clipping a ferrite bead onto hands-free kits stops the radio waves travelling up the wire and into the head.[85]

Several nations have advised moderate use of mobile phones for children.[86]

djshed, that's curious. So in all these article links and videos you've posted, have you actually checked any of the references to see if the original research actually says what the article/video purports?

It's par for the course for woo merchants to selectively cite research studies because it makes it look like they're talking Real Science(tm) while completely distorting what those research studies are actually saying. You need to follow the references and look at the original research.

For instance, a lot of the research that indicates there is a link between radio signals and biological effects are at signal strengths far in excess of what you could possibly experience from wifi systems.

Incidentally, I have seen some reports that there are clusters of childhood leukaemia and power lines. Such clusters are a coincidental artifact of what the data actually represents. If a disease has a random distribution among a population then there will be, by chance, apparent "clusters". If you scatter seeds randomly over the floor there will seem to be odd patterns and clusters in what you see.

The other factor in this is that there tends to be power lines where people live. So there will inevitably be an apparent correlation between where people with a particular disease live and power lines. But it's no more significant than the fact that such random clusters will also appear to correlate with water pipes, windows, tin openers and plates.

It's always the men who come onto these threads to tell women not to be so silly, Snorbs.

I'd say exactly the same if it was a man or a woman who was claiming they can magically detect whether a mobile phone is turned on or off. Indeed, I have no idea if djshed is male or female. And for some reason I've always imagined that BadgersPaws is a woman.

What's your point?

i have spent months researching this topic, as i am sure you can imagine if you had been suffering pain for 10 years and then discovered that the causality of that pain could be avoided, you tell me which side of the argument would you stand?

Well there is one thing you won?t find here and that is lie?s! not from me anyway! I actually learned of this when watching extracts from a Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on ?Health effects of cell phone use? and have since found the information to be TRUE, as I have posted below for everyone?s ease of perusal;

Blackberry safety manuals are available as a pdf download at docs.blackberry.com/en/

Bu I have c&p for you and it reads;

?When you carry the BlackBerry device, keep the device at least 0.98 inches (25mm) from your body when the BlackBerry devices is turned on and connected to a wireless network.

The long-term characteristics or possible physiological effects of radio frequency fields have not been evaluated by underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL)?

And the iphone you can read it yourself at manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/iPhone_4_Important_Product_Information_Guide.pdf

But again I c & P some of it for you.

Exposure to Radio Frequency Energy

iPhone contains radio transmitters and receivers. When on, iPhone receives and sends out radio frequency (RF) energy through its antennas. The iPhone cellular antenna
is located at the bottom edge of iPhone, to the left of the Home button.
The Wi-Fi and Bluetooth® antenna is located at the top edge of iPhone,
to the right of the headset jack. For optimal mobile device performance and to be sure that human exposure to RF energy does not exceed the FCC, IC, and European Union
guidelines, always follow these instructions and precautions: When on a
call using the built-in audio receiver in iPhone, hold iPhone with the dock
connector pointed down toward your shoulder to increase separation
from the antenna. When using iPhone near your body for voice calls or
for wireless data transmission over a cellular network, keep iPhone at
least 15 mm (5/8 inch) away from the body, and only use carrying cases,
belt clips, or holders that do not have metal parts and that maintain at
least 15 mm (5/8 inch) separation between iPhone and the body

OOOps silly me it's not a whole inch!!!

Gender is not the issue but if you are female your comments are making you look very silly taugenichts!

and i embrace the challenges a cynic brings to the table Snorbs. sorry to disappoint though i am no magician if i was i would cast a magicians spell for sure and get people to open their eyes to the topic at hand, and that is whether or not you can safely say that the electromagnetic fields generated by wireless technology is safe for our children? us adults can fend for ourselves but our children are subjected to the pollution, which is invisible to the human eye, all the time for the sake of our convenience! for example what can my 4 year old really benefit form a wifi connected white board?

ChunkyPickle, just a quick question?

When and how can 'you' tell if your microwave is leaking radiation?

Ooops, i may have been a bit snappy taugenichts! apologies, your posts have been informative thank you....

but i would still like to know how ChunkyPickle knows that she is not peering into a leaking microwave?

Well, back when these things were newer, my dad used to actually have the appropriate electrical equipment to check.

Now I apply the same methodology you do to anything that is potentially dangerous be it a kettle, a TV, or a car, which is check to see if it's damaged, excessively old or makes funny noises, and not use it if I'm at all worried.

A microwave doesn't suddenly start leaking microwaves, something has to be damaged.

Microwaves do not work by magic, the waves themselves travel in nice straight lines, and, even if by some accident you did use a damaged microwave all you're opening yourself up to is some burns (much like a standard oven!)

Microwaves are non-ionizing radiation. No amount of standing in front of your microwave will turn you into the incredible hulk, your microwave is probably one of the safest bits of equipment in your kitchen (not that I have the stats, but I've injured myself on the normal oven, knives, mixers, but never a microwave)

I stand corrected on the iphone 4.

Mine's only the 3, and my manual doesn't say that.

5/8inch and 1 inch is a big difference (inverse square law), although I'm surprised that they can get away with that as 'normal usage'

the real problem is that you would not know if the microwave was leaking unless you had a leak detector!

it doesn't need to be making a funny noise or be damaged for the seal to fail! they are manufactured to very strict safety standards as they are so very dangerous to human life if faulty.

it is most definitely not the safest thing in your kitchen in fact it is probably the most harmful. especially if you are peering into it while it is cooking, i don't know of any manufacturer that recommends you do that when it is cooking.
and as for a burn i think you are under the impression that microwaves stop at your skin! they do not stop there they go straight through you! effecting you at a cellular level. cuts and burns and bruises heal quickly but damaged human cells take alot longer and sometimes are irreparable.

i strongly recommend everyone find a company to have your microwave checked as there are no real tell tale signs of leakage other than you feeling unwell after long term exposure.

Rubbish.

Google it

Microwaves very rarely leak, and if they do it will be the result of physical damage.

I'm well aware of the properties of microwaves, and that should you manage to damage a microwave such that you could put your arm in while running you would have serious burns - not just to the surface of your skin.

damaged human cells take alot longer and sometimes are irreparable

Microwaves are non-ionizing - it does not damage cells except by burning, as I said, it cannot turn you into the incredible hulk - that's ionizing radiation.

I strongly recommend people apply common sense and don't use damaged equipment - whether a microwave oven or not - and certainly think twice before turning money over to people to check your microwave - think 4 times if they say anything about long term exposure causing you to feel unwell because they clearly don't know basic physics.

Oh, which is (in very simple terms) that microwaves are like light - once they're gone, they're gone, rather than link x-rays which have enough energy to actually knock electrons free (creating ions - hence ionizing and non-ionizing) and so have a lingering effect which could build up.

I was using my Nokia phone on the train yesterday and my head felt very hot all of a sudden, and my ear was hot to touch. I stopped using the phone but had an earache for the rest of the day. I think it was because the train was travelling fast and so the phone had to work "harder" to get a signal.

I do think that the Government get so much money and tax from the mobile phone industry that they would not want any research that shows anh dangers of using the phones. We do even hear of Government Advisers for drugs etc being told to leave their jobs because they disagree with the government, so I am sure that we do not always get the full story on mobiles.

I might suggest that someone brushes up on their physics and gets some common sense! i would rather have the oven tested because the only thing stopping the microwave radiation coming out the unit is the seal and the metal mesh in the window of the door! if this is damaged in any minuscule way there can be harmful high level microwave radiation emitted!

microwaves are nothing like light! light does not pass through you microwaves do! there is emerging research to suggest that high exposure to low level microwave radiation (from microwave ovens, mobile phones and wireless devices) s having an effect at a cellular level!

blood exposed to high levels of microwave radiation such as a 20 min phone call becomes like glue! google that! (the levels of microwave radiation from a microwave oven, while boiling water, outside the door is sometimes not as high as the levels of microwave radiation omitted from a mobile phone while downloading a movie or watching a video!

there are studies on going and more money needs to be invested in this area of research!

frankie3, you are spot on! when the phone's transmitter cannot get a good signal it will transmit a stronger signal and can be more hazardous to you and people around you! your ear and head were hurting as the blood cells were bombarded by microwaves from your phone, the cells take time to repair themselves. but too many calls like that and the sensation could linger and you may become very sensitive to microwave radiation as i have. it is much safer to use the phone outside, on speaker phone or with a RF3 headset, with no obstructions for the transmitter! definitely do not use the wifi or movie downloads when inside as these signal are far stronger than basic voice calls.

There's no point trying to be rational here, so let me leave you with the thought that if microwaves are so cunning and able to escape miniscule damage, how is it that they don't get through the mesh on the door?

Clue: it's to do with the wavelength of the microwaves.

I might also add, that (whilst I can't find the study you mentioned) leaving blood out for 20 minutes turns it glue-like, as would warming it up, and if I hold a walkman to my ear for 20 minutes it'll get pretty warm too, and that warming things tends to have 'an effect at a cellular level'

Er, surely wifi is a lower signal strength than the GSM or 3G signals used for mobile telephony? The wifi transceiver in my laptop can only generate about 100 millwatts I think whereas a mobile phone can produce a couple of watts in really poor signal areas.

Also, if you are downloading a movie on your phone, would you really be doing it with the phone held up to your ear? And even if you were downloading a movie, surely the peak traffic flow would be from the mast to your phone not vice-versa. Even if you're downloading megabytes of data, your phone wouldn't be transmitting anything other than the occasional "Yup, I've got that chunk of data, send the next block" acknowledgement. In that case, then, why are movie downloads such an issue?

The microwaves cannot get through the mesh due to the size of the particles of the microwave, and the mesh is just the right size to not let any through, unless damaged. it is a fact that some microwaves especially older ones do let past high levels and should be checked. why is it so hard to be cautious?

since i have only been interested in this topic for a few months i have only taken microwave radiation readings and emf surveys for friends and family and so far out of about 10 - 15 microwaves tested 2 of them made the leak detector sound off even though they showed no signs of damage or made funny noises.

the blood was not left out! what sort of test would that be?

In December 1998, Drs. Ray Tice and Graham Hook of Integrated Laboratory Systems in North Carolina have shown that blood cells exposed to cell phone radiation suffer genetic damage in the form of micronuclei. In their studies, DNA and chromosome damage in human white blood cells occurred when exposed to signals from all types of phones--analog, digital, and PCS. Damage was shown even from signals occurring at a SAR level below the government's "safety" guideline.

Gosh anyone would think i was trying to get you to agree that the world is flat!

Yes Wifi and wireless technologies transmit at a slightly lower signal strength, however they are the same type of signal just slightly lower!

the fact that your phone is not sending the data and receiving it makes no difference to the microwave radiation being sent and or received by the device. the wireless technology transmits the same as your digital tv. they do something called 'pulse' so they send massive amounts of data in a full strength signal through the air in a field of microwave radiation (going 'through' anything in its path) to the receiver (on your lap or in your hand). and the only reason i say 'movie downloads is that, they consist of a vast amount of data, and from the test i have carried out personally the microwave radiation generated when downloading movies or watching streamed videos were higher than voice calls.

i don't want to be fighting science here, the reason i started this thread was because i really don't feel right sending my four year old to nursery where he is being exposed to low level microwave radiation for the duration of his stay there!

why do they need wifi?

why is their protection not worth the time or the money?

the fact that your phone is not sending the data and receiving it makes no difference to the microwave radiation being sent and or received by the device.

It makes a huge difference to the amount of electromagnetic radiation that would be detectable at the handset. That you don't understand that makes me rather

Hint: The fact that a handset can transmit a few watts of signal does not imply that it has to be picking up a few watts of signal at its antenna to work.

Another hint: investigate the inverse square law and consider what impact that would have on signal levels measured at the handset from a) the handset itself and b) those from a distant transmitter.

Where is the proof that wifi, radiowave and microwave radiation is not going to harm our children?

where is the report from the schools saying that they are exposing our children to constant signals of low level microwave radiation, but it is 100% safe to do so?