I want the surgery off my back regarding vaccines. How?

[aPixieInMyCaramelLatte]

Ds1 (21months) had his 8, 12 & 16 week jabs, nothing since. Ds2 (16 weeks) is and will remain completely unvaccinated.

When we moved surgeries, I told the new surgery that we didn't want to participate in the vaccine schedule until I decided for sure whether to continue vaccinating or not. (I've done loads of research since then and it's looking likely not)

Anyway, they keep sending me letters with pre-made appointments for ds1's jabs that he's "behind" on. Because the appointments are already made without my asking, I then have to phone up and cancel them and every time get a big lecture about it. Then I sent a letter in explaining that we did not want the vaccines etc and still they are sending me appointments.

He's supposed to have an appointment tomorrow for ALL the jabs he's missed in one 20 minute sitting and again I'm going to have to phone up and cancel and get another lecture.

Apart from changing surgeries is there any way of getting them off my back regarding the vaccines?

Any help greatly received.

go in and explain that you are declining all immunisations and would they please stop sending you letters?

tell them you will deal with any illnesses that come their way from not having been vaccinated, plus any spread of illness thru their nurseries etc. Brain damage etc from mumps/measles encephalitis etc etc. They'll get the message!

Just tell them you definitely won't be vaccinating. If they can record you as 'declined' the reminders will stop coming up.

can i ask why you have decided on this course of action? entirely your decision of course, but my son had pneumococcal meningitis, spend 8 weeks in hospital on life support and then took over 2 years to regain his faculties. is now 19 with special needs.

so i agree with comeandseetallulah.

should also add that i was completely unvaccinated and had to be given all mine with DS when he had his,

i would not wish how it feels to see your child critically ill on anyone. i had to watch mine daily for 8 weeks fight to live.

im gonna hide this thread now as i realise im adding to the lectures that you dont want.

Perhaps your HV can help to get the letter stopped? I only mention the HV as mine called about the baby vaccinations with my DS3 and when I explained we wouldn't be giving him any she said she'd get a note on the notes (iykwim) so that we weren't sent any letters.

We haven't had any letters at all and my DS3 is 3 now.

Why should they stop sending you letters? You are behaving in an irresponsible and ill-informed manner and when your children are ill it will be the NHS picking up the pieces.

why does the letter bother you? if you are sure about your decision then surely a phonecall to cancel is a minor inconvenience? Receptionists are not medically trained, and any perceived 'tone' may be your own interpretation.
You should see one of the doctors, discuss and then they can delete you from the list of recalls for vaccinations.

I can't remember what I ended up telling our doctor's.

I recall getting reminder letters for dd1, but not for dd2 (dd1 was vax'ed up to first MMR, so kept getting reminders for her boosters; dd2 has had none at all, and I've never had a single letter for her, I don't think!)

I think I told them that I would not be bringing dd1 for her booster, and that neither of them would be receiving vaccinations at all, and they just stopped.

I might have had ot sign a form to say I had declined any furhter reminders (was a few years ago now)

funnily enough, we have changed docs twice since then (due to house moves) and I've not been asked again since, so maybe it is just a definite "no" they need, to go on the records?

You should actually be grateful for the reminder letters, even though they cause you some inconvience.

By reminding the vast majority of parents who do choose to immunise their children, the surgery is helping to ensure that herd immunity is maximised, which I assume can only be a good thing for an unimmunised child.

I had a similar letter & appointment made for DS during the 'so-called swine flu outbreak' last year and I literally called up the surgery, said I didn't want him to have the jab and she said "okay, thanks for letting us know - most people who don't want it, just don't bother turning up"

You are the child's mother and no matter what they tell you/lecture you/send you, it is your choice not to have your baby immunised.

I'm refusing them because I have had to watch a close family members heart breaking after her dd had a massive reaction to her vaccines and spend months in hospital with her not knowing if she was going to survive or not and now trying to live a normal life as possible with a brain damaged child whilst trying to get it recognised that it was the vaccine that caused he reactions as they are trying to fob her off.

This prompted me to research exactly what toxins I was going to be injecting into my children and weigh up the risks of both the vaccines and the diseases themselves, the likely hood of catching them etc etc.

I have done as much research as I possibly can and I'm sure there's more and this was NOT a decision I took lightly so thanks for that comeandseetallulah

I'm not completely dismissing the vaccines altogether, they are just not having the vaccines now or in the forseable future.

I haven't seen a HV since ds2 was 8 weeks old but I think I'll just go down to the surgery tomorrow and make it clear that I don't want any more appointments sent through.

to silverfrog, no lecture, yesm I think irresponsible, just the medical facts, that's enough!! I have seen enough ill children to have no confusion about vaccinations!

Sorry I type to slow as I'm on a phone.

To everyone calling me irresponsible, see last post, to everyone else, Thank-you.

I'm sorry you have family illness to deal with, but that is where things become difficult, all families can come up with stories where a child becomes ill because of 'X' and uncle so an so lived until 90 despite smoking. I believe in science, not trying to be harsh but i do believe in researching evidence before i pass on to patients. I believe in childhood imms - how lucky we are to have them.

tallulah,

there's no confusion about vaccines in my mind either.

I'm quite keen on medical facts too (which you rarely get, if trying to report a vaccine reaction , for eg), and have also seen enough ill children to be extremely wary of the vaccine schedule.

I suspect the ill children you are talking about, and the ill children I am talking about (of which my own chid is one) are of a completely different nature, though

Pixie, that is an awful, awful story. How very sad.

The problem is, though, that a very small minority of people react badly to vaccines in this country. And as a result of the increase of non-vaccination, serious childhood illnesses are on the rise, which potentially threatens the lives of people with compromised immune systems, such as people on chemotherapy. My own mother was such a person; she got on a bus and caught a bug which killed her within a month. She shouldn't have died so young from the cancer that she had.

So, whether you or other posters like it or not, this is the reality that we all face. By vaccinating you are taking a minuscule risk for your child. By not vaccinating, you are taking what is possibly a greater risk with other people's lives.

Interestingly there was a programme on Radio 4 tonight about the possible indirect effects (both positive and negative) of vaccinating. It may be the start of a route to explaining why some people react badly to vaccines and others don't. Certainly it's too simplistic to say "I heard about someone who had a bad reaction, I don't like the sound of what's in the vaccines and therefore I'll abstain." You should listen to the programme: it explains a little about how vaccines can interact with vaccines and even vitamin supplements which are already present in the body, to produce unexpected positive and negative effects. There's a lot of information about the WHO operating deceitfully, but the main relevant information for you is about how vaccines interact with what's in our bodies.

Hi Pixie! We have not vaxed any of our 4 children (I was not vaxed further after a bad reaction to the first DPT as a baby, my husband was never vaxed as a child). After a meeting with our GP and a stern lecture when we decided to not to vax DC1, we signed a form stating we were aware of our responsibilities and were declining the scheduled vaccinations. With each subsequent child we've signed the same form (this time round the HV had already looked at our records and brought the form on her first visit without me asking!). On occasion we get an appointment for something but only if it a new vax that is just being introduced (and once I call up and explain we don't want the appointment we don't get anymore).

Be aware that there will be questions about this when your kids start school.

The schools are keen on ensuring herd immunity.

My dd is immunised, after extensive research, however my homeopath doesn't agree with it and her grandkids are not done and are healthy.

Of course in an environment where there is greater immunity then it's not such an issue.

In developing countries immunisation is savinf kids lives every day.

our surgery doesnt send out the letters its the nhs trust, is the address different on the letterhead? who ever sends the letter write a letter to them explaining you wont cancel their time booked again then at least the letter stays in your file where as calls dont always get logged, then if you get another letter dont call just ignore it

I've neverhad any questions form school (or pre-school) regarding either of mine. we did have to fill in a form regarding what vaccines htey had had, and when, but we have never been queried as to why dd1 is not up to date, or why dd2 has never had any (and it is none of the school's business, tbh)

Speedy: I wondered how long it would take of rthe "for the greater good" argument to pop up. I am very sorry for the loss of your mother. But to attribute it to unvaccinated children is a little far fetched.

If there was reasonable chance that your children would be damaged by vaccines (and I'm talking more probability than the standard statistics, as OP presumably is given it was a close fmaily member who was affected), and therefore the likelihood that oyur child would be damaged by the vaccine was actaully higher than the likelihood they would either catch the disease, or develop complications form that disease - are oyu really saying oyu would sacrifice your child in this way, for the sake of the rest of society?

Because that is what you are wanting others to do. you say the risk is potentially greater for the rest of society. I do not agree. the risk, in my families case, is far higher for my daughters.

I am always interested to hear what unvaccinated people think about the polio vaccination programme? Do you refuse this as well? If everyone (or practically everyone) had it, the illness could be eliminated like smallpox, then nobody need have it again. If a enough people refuse we are stuck with polio in the world, and the vaccination.

ChildofIsis, seriously, questions from the school? That never happened when ds started? do you mean in the UK?

Kendodd That isn't necessarily true what you say. It is not possible to prove that the vaccination eradicated polio, though that is what we are told. If you fundamentally disagree about how effective and beneficial a vaccine is, it is hard to have a sensible discussion about vaxing versus not vaxing (my children have not had the polio, if you interested to know). And to ChildofIsis, vaccinations also kill children in developing countries.

Also to those who have vaxed, if you believe that the vaccinations have protected your child against each illness, why are you worried if that illness is around? Your children won't get it, right? So it should only be the unvaxed children at risk, and since we chose to take that risk, it is only our problem, not yours?

As far as I know polio hasn't been eradicated, yet. It is hoped that if everybody can be vaccinated then it will be? Just know what I have heard on the news etc though. Isn't Bill Gates funding a vaccination/eradication program?