I want the surgery off my back regarding vaccines. How?

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Ds1 (21months) had his 8, 12 & 16 week jabs, nothing since. Ds2 (16 weeks) is and will remain completely unvaccinated.

When we moved surgeries, I told the new surgery that we didn't want to participate in the vaccine schedule until I decided for sure whether to continue vaccinating or not. (I've done loads of research since then and it's looking likely not)

Anyway, they keep sending me letters with pre-made appointments for ds1's jabs that he's "behind" on. Because the appointments are already made without my asking, I then have to phone up and cancel them and every time get a big lecture about it. Then I sent a letter in explaining that we did not want the vaccines etc and still they are sending me appointments.

He's supposed to have an appointment tomorrow for ALL the jabs he's missed in one 20 minute sitting and again I'm going to have to phone up and cancel and get another lecture.

Apart from changing surgeries is there any way of getting them off my back regarding the vaccines?

Any help greatly received.

Yes he is, found this link

Sorry to derail your thread, it was going to happen though

Op
Just go and see your gp and go through in detail why you are currently refusing.

I had a long chat with my gp when we first moved here and now he, like my previous gp , totally supports our decision.
He also knows that I review this decision regularly and will go into discuss with them, so I am not just stonewalling iyswim, so he knows this is an informed, measured, considered decision.

I now seldom get reminders but when I do they are usually computer generated and I do not feel defensive about it.the surgery is just trying to do it's job.

My advice would be to go in and explain why this is bothering you and how it can be resolved. And be open to discussions, if you are confident about your decision then it will stand up to occasional challenges.

But ignore those who will always leap to lecture you and do so aggressively. They are either just up for a fight or defensive for some reason, valid or otherwise. Not every child can be vaccinated safely. Unfortunate but true

sarahbuff But it's not just those children whose parents refused vaccination who are at risk if herd immunity drops. It's newborn babies and children who are too young for various vaccines who could die. It's people who genuinely can't have them for various medical reasons. Those are the people who suffer through no choice or fault of their own when herd immunity drops.

In Saudi Arabia where they have a vaccination rate of over 95% there have been big outbreaks of measles in recent years. Herd immunity from vaccines can not guarantee protection from the diseases.

Is it true that doctors can remove unvaccinated children from their lists in the UK? We get reminder letters every so often, but just keep ignoring them.

What is the vaccination rate needed for herd immunity anyway? There seems to be a lot of controversy over this. It's gone up and up over the years.

silverfrog, I did not attribute my mother's death to an unvaccinated child. I attributed it to the ease with which a vulnerable person can pick up any infection and die.

Surely you don't have a problem with considering the greater good when making decisions?

As I also detailed in the same post, there is a more complicated story than the OP realises when it comes to the way vaccines work on our bodies. It's quite possibly fallacious to assume that genetics is the main cause of bad reactions - we seem to falsely attribute so much to genes these days. You should listen to the same programme, it's enlightening.

Tabitha, apparently it's 95% but obviously that's not the case when there are outbreaks in areas with a higher rate of vaccination ( 97-99% for example. )

Snowy: sorry for the misassumption re: your mum. And I am truly sorry you lost her so young. my mother died very young from cancer too, and I still miss her everyday.

I do have ot take issue with "Surely you don't have a problem with considering the greater good when making decisions?: though.

yes, I do, when doing so would be to the dterimnet of my child.

there is no way I am going to vaccinate dd2, for the good of society, when to do so would lead to almost certain harm for her. would you, in my position? would you really take your child along, knowing that they are almost definitely going to suffer a reaction (of what magnitude being an uncertainty), thinking, "oh but it's ok, it's for the greater good!"

Bollocks to that, quite frankly.

I already ahve one damaged child.

I am not going to sign my second up for the same treatment. Namely, having health issues dismissed, denied and ignored because they came about as a result of vaccination. BEing ridiculed and classed as neurotic because I think in that way is not a fun thing to happen, and neither is being told that my daughters health issues are "only to be expected" and that therefore there is no protocol for treatment (not even to alleviate symptoms, let alone treat the cause).

If society, as a whole, were keener on helping pick up the pieces when vaccination goes wrong, I might be a little keener on considering the greater good.

Since we are left ot our own devices, at best, and decried as neurotic, and not fit ot be parents (for considering treatment) at worst, well, then I think the greater good has no place in my decisions, tbh.

my priority is the health and safety of my children.

any parent who says differently is not telling the whole story, imo.

Well, bit of an update.

Seen as though the appointment was booked for today and it was a 20 minute appointment I decided to go down there on my own and use the appointment to talk to the doctor (nurse off sick so doctor doing vax) about my reasons.

We had a good 30minute (Sorry to all those waiting after me) discussion and came away with the doctor saying even though he didn't agree, I was obviously well informed and confident in my decision so he would put a note on my files to stop the letters etc. He was more than happy for me to go back at any point to continue the vax schedule or just talk about my concerns/gain more info etc.

I'm not totally basing my decision on Gene's. Of course it was awful watching a member of my family go through what she did but it was that that made me research the vaccinations more and my decision is based on a whole number of reasons. Like I said, I'm not dismissing vaccinations forever, Like pag, I will review my decision every year and will never say never.

Silverfrog, apology accepted. And I wasn't aware that your DD had been been badly damaged by a vaccine, everything you've written sounds awful. Added to the too-early loss of your mother, that really is a lot of pain you're handling, and I'm genuinely sorry that you've been hit by so much sadness and trauma.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing wrt 'considering' the greater good. What I am saying is that the process of thinking through all the ramifications, including those beyond one's immediate situation, is essential. None of us is an island, and our decisions are best made with as full an appraisal of the situation as we are able to find. Of course this means at times making an impossible decision in a damned if you do damned if you don't way, but IMO that is not a reason to shrink away from such thinking.

Coming back to the programme about vaccination, I suspect that the WHO has operated in a harmful way towards the vulnerable children of Guinea Bissau because of the influence of pharmaceutical companies. I have no evidence for this, but given their extraordinarily callous-seeming lack of care in the face of their responsibilities it seems the most obvious conclusion. Had the officials involved taken a full appraisal of the situation before deciding how to proceed, they might have saved the lives of thousands of girls instead of allowing them to die over the past ten years.