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General election 2024

Where is Angela Rayner?

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Pigeonqueen · 05/07/2024 13:43

So vocal and present during the campaign and haven’t seen her anywhere at all today 🤷‍♀️😳… just being nosey. 🤔

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SkippysEar · 05/07/2024 18:08

LOL of course he's got millions of assets/cash. That link above is just his income.

Pigeonqueen · 05/07/2024 18:08

Wow 😮 this took off. I started this sort of having a bit of a laugh because I’ve actually enjoyed seeing her on the TV a lot, I like her accent and I like the fact she wears what she likes, does what she likes and doesn’t really seem to care what others think of her. I like the dynamics between her and KS, they seem to genuinely like and respect each other.

I will be the first to admit I don’t know a lot about politics - yep, I did an A level in it many years ago but only really pick up stuff from the news. I am interested though, and want to understand more. As a woman I am really interested to see more women in key postions in the new government than before. It is really horrible and unnecessary to see the comments about someone’s appearance or their accent, or even how many GCSEs someone has.

I am glad to see her made deputy PM and that we now have a first female chancellor! That’s amazing.

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ClawdeenWolf · 05/07/2024 18:10

SkippysEar · 05/07/2024 17:25

I dont care about her fashion sense but yes, a gobby fishwife with not even enough GCSEs to even get a basic job anywhere has no place on the world stage.

She has got a job though. As an MP. Probably doing a damn sight better than you in life, I'd wager.

NecessaryNC24 · 05/07/2024 18:14

SkippysEar · 05/07/2024 18:08

LOL of course he's got millions of assets/cash. That link above is just his income.

Source ?

DontWheeshtMe · 05/07/2024 18:15

Moonshiners · 05/07/2024 17:46

What a nasty snobby comment. hate the classism against Rayner. The last lot of Eton etc al lot have screwed this country over and broken it. Thank god some decent normal folk are in charge.

Hate such nasty classist comments about anyone.
But your comment is rather hypocritical as you go on to make negative classist comments based on schooling.

CormorantStrikesBack · 05/07/2024 18:19

Dahliasrule · 05/07/2024 15:08

As others have said, she was on several of the channels last night giving interviews. I thought she cam across really well and gave clear, dignified and measured answers to all the questions she was asked. I really don’t understand the hate some people seem to have for her. She spoke well and fluently, surely better than the umms and aaahs of windswept Boris.

Yeah but, yeah but….she’s got a Northern accent don’t ya know! 😆

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 05/07/2024 18:21

NecessaryNC24 · 05/07/2024 17:51

They're just pissed off they may have to pay VAT on Tarquin's private schooling.

More classism here.
This thread is a disgrace.

NecessaryNC24 · 05/07/2024 18:23

That's a bit like crying racism when you're the favoured demographic: I.e. pointless.

MariaLuna · 05/07/2024 18:29

Just been spotted walking into number 10. In a horrendous green trouser suit. Looks far too big for her.

Bitch, bitch, bitching about someone who doesn't fit your "mould".

To have got to where she has after having a child at 16 I can only totally respect her.

Elocution lessons?? Just shows UK is still a class-riddled society. In 2024! 🙄

LaughingElderberry · 05/07/2024 18:44

Angela Rayner worked her way up to where she is now. She did not come from a place of privilege, she left school without any qualifications because she was pregnant, but managed to go back to college later on and used that to go into care work. That led to union involvement which then led to politics. She's worked and had to overcome some significant disadvantages to get to where she is now, which is pretty impressive given that she's now Deputy PM.

Keir Starmer also had pretty humble beginnings. He may well be financially comfortable now but I doubt it's millions - apart from anything else the legal work he was doing pre-CPS was more public interest than the lucrative commercial stuff that pays ££££. So if he is a multi-millionaire it would be interesting to understand how he is supposed to have amassed this amazing fortune - because he's not inherited it, and it's highly unlikely he earned and saved.

Both of them have given fairly detailed interviews, especially over recent years. The Rest is Politics podcast covered their backstories quite well.

I think both are very good examples of the conservative value that if you work hard you can better your situation and be successful. Particularly Angela. But the really interesting part is despite having both worked hard, bettered themselves and become successful, the reaction is to dismiss them. People try and pick holes in their achievements, or point out that they don't look, speak or dress the part.

It shows up this long-held tenet of conservatism for the nonsense that it is. Look what happens when two working class kids do what they are supposed to do - because the reality is that they are only supposed to go so far. They're supposed to stop at a socially acceptable level - a manager perhaps. They are supposed to know their place. They certainly are not supposed to overtake the aristocratic or elite members of their generation, and - shock horror - end up in charge. What happens if other people like them get the same idea? It could change everything...

SkippysEar · 05/07/2024 18:51

@LaughingElderberry I dont think anybody is hating on Starmer. He's obviously an incredibly hard working and dedicated man, devoting his life to achievement, in his education then his career and then politics. He's the epitome of a professional. Rayner on the other hand...

LaughingElderberry · 05/07/2024 18:56

SkippysEar · 05/07/2024 18:51

@LaughingElderberry I dont think anybody is hating on Starmer. He's obviously an incredibly hard working and dedicated man, devoting his life to achievement, in his education then his career and then politics. He's the epitome of a professional. Rayner on the other hand...

What isn't professional about her? Unless it's that she doesn't meet your interpretation of what you consider to be professional?

She completed vocational training, went into employment, became a union rep and then into politics from there. None of what she's achieved would be possible without serious commitment and hard work.

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/07/2024 18:56

He’s obviously an incredibly hard working and dedicated man, devoting his life to achievement, in his education then his career and then politics. He's the epitome of a professional. Rayner on the other hand...

So hard work and dedication only count if you do it the “right” way, or do you think a teenage mum had it easy? I think she’s a great example for young people who feel written off if they don’t get the academic results. She’s clearly worked her arse off to get where she is.

CelesteCunningham · 05/07/2024 18:59

Great post @LaughingElderberry.

NecessaryNC24 · 05/07/2024 19:02

LaughingElderberry · 05/07/2024 18:44

Angela Rayner worked her way up to where she is now. She did not come from a place of privilege, she left school without any qualifications because she was pregnant, but managed to go back to college later on and used that to go into care work. That led to union involvement which then led to politics. She's worked and had to overcome some significant disadvantages to get to where she is now, which is pretty impressive given that she's now Deputy PM.

Keir Starmer also had pretty humble beginnings. He may well be financially comfortable now but I doubt it's millions - apart from anything else the legal work he was doing pre-CPS was more public interest than the lucrative commercial stuff that pays ££££. So if he is a multi-millionaire it would be interesting to understand how he is supposed to have amassed this amazing fortune - because he's not inherited it, and it's highly unlikely he earned and saved.

Both of them have given fairly detailed interviews, especially over recent years. The Rest is Politics podcast covered their backstories quite well.

I think both are very good examples of the conservative value that if you work hard you can better your situation and be successful. Particularly Angela. But the really interesting part is despite having both worked hard, bettered themselves and become successful, the reaction is to dismiss them. People try and pick holes in their achievements, or point out that they don't look, speak or dress the part.

It shows up this long-held tenet of conservatism for the nonsense that it is. Look what happens when two working class kids do what they are supposed to do - because the reality is that they are only supposed to go so far. They're supposed to stop at a socially acceptable level - a manager perhaps. They are supposed to know their place. They certainly are not supposed to overtake the aristocratic or elite members of their generation, and - shock horror - end up in charge. What happens if other people like them get the same idea? It could change everything...

Fantastic post.

AutumnCrow · 05/07/2024 19:02

If Angela Rayner hasn't got any GCSEs or equivalents, then isn't that a consequence of an unfair system that disadvantaged pregnant school girls (and probably still does)?

I don't understand her feminism or her interpretation of socialism, but there's no need to dig at her social background, accent, clothes and private life unless it genuinely impacts on her public duties. Same with Rachel Reeves, Yvette Cooper, and Jess Phillips, and even more so with Victoria Starmer and Akshata Murty.

And I've made jokes about Michael Fabricant's syrup, yes. So I'm probably a tremendously unclever hyprocrite, but women do have it harder in public life and are judged to different, harsher standards; and it's all food for thought.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 05/07/2024 19:11

Angela Rayner is perfect for the levelling up portfolio. She's a great example of someone who has worked hard to get where she is today without the advantages of money, educational qualifications, etc. and achieved high office. The likes of the Daily Fail have already started their next round of misogynistic slating of her.

I'm really heartened by how relatable a lot of the Labour cabinet are.

Metempsychosis · 05/07/2024 19:11

I haven't checked all the new cabinet, but of the ones I do know about, none seem to have had the advantageous start in life of Blair, Mandelson, the Millibands or Corbyn (Mandelson and the Millibands had very useful political connections instead of wealth)

And that's before you even get to a comparison with seriously privileged men like Johnson, Cameron, Rees Mogg or Sunak.

SkippysEar · 05/07/2024 19:15

Metempsychosis · 05/07/2024 19:11

I haven't checked all the new cabinet, but of the ones I do know about, none seem to have had the advantageous start in life of Blair, Mandelson, the Millibands or Corbyn (Mandelson and the Millibands had very useful political connections instead of wealth)

And that's before you even get to a comparison with seriously privileged men like Johnson, Cameron, Rees Mogg or Sunak.

Ed Milliband is the new Energy Secretary.

Metempsychosis · 05/07/2024 19:16

Oh of course I forgot.

LaughingElderberry · 05/07/2024 19:24

Ed Milliband has existing cabinet secretary experience, which will be useful for them given the number of ministers that haven't experienced governing (vs being in opposition).

I wasn't a fan in earlier years but I think he's settled and now comes across as convincing and solid. Ed also previously held the energy brief when he was a cabinet minister, so I think it's a good choice by KS. A nice change to see an MP being given a brief where they actually have some experience already - so often they're completely new to it.

Metempsychosis · 05/07/2024 19:32

LaughingElderberry · 05/07/2024 19:24

Ed Milliband has existing cabinet secretary experience, which will be useful for them given the number of ministers that haven't experienced governing (vs being in opposition).

I wasn't a fan in earlier years but I think he's settled and now comes across as convincing and solid. Ed also previously held the energy brief when he was a cabinet minister, so I think it's a good choice by KS. A nice change to see an MP being given a brief where they actually have some experience already - so often they're completely new to it.

Yes I'm not anti Ed M at all: just because you had some advantage in life doesn't mean you can't be a good person and a competent politician. I was just noting that the new intake seemed all to be starting with no advantages at all apart from brains and ambition.

SkippysEar · 05/07/2024 19:33

@LaughingElderberry Yes enough time has passed since the bacon sandwich incident then the infamous Ed Stone. Shame his brother left politics, David was the best leader Labour never had.

SnakesAndArrows · 05/07/2024 19:34

Bobbotgegrinch · 05/07/2024 17:53

He's not a multi millionaire, but even if he was, he'd have that money because he's worked bloody hard.

He hasn't had a leg up from Mummy and Daddy, he worked hard at a state school and managed to get into Oxford, and then worked hard to get into good jobs until he ended up in the top job in his chosen field.

He's very definitely a "working person", and may well be the epitome of one.

And he was an undergraduate at Leeds, a pretty ordinary university. He did his masters at Oxford.

LaughingElderberry · 05/07/2024 19:41

SkippysEar · 05/07/2024 19:33

@LaughingElderberry Yes enough time has passed since the bacon sandwich incident then the infamous Ed Stone. Shame his brother left politics, David was the best leader Labour never had.

I agree re: David. That was a mis-step. I think if they'd gone with him for the leadership, it's possible Labour could have taken the 2015 GE.

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