If Labour doesn't get a landslide, Farage will be our PM in 2029

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Please don't do a protest vote.

I understand why you want to. I too am very very angry with the Labour Party - because of their position on women's rights to single sex (not gender) spaces, opportunities etc. I despise many of them.

But if they don't get a governable majority, we will have five years of stasis. They will not be able to show the country what they can do for all of us - their hands will be tied.

And in five years time, Reform will be able to say - look how shit they are. They're all the same. They've achieved nothing. Only Reform can deliver change.

That's if Farage is not the leader of the Conservatives by then, which is possibly more likely.

Are you high ?

Erm, no. Are you @Redshoeblueshoe ?

I'll be voting Tory - while holding my nose - to keep Labour out of my constituency.

Reform will disrupt the results, but they don't have a hope in hell of governing.

did you see I'm talking about five years down the line?

Farage will not become leader of the Tory party. The Labour Party will have a working majority. And in 5 years women's rights will be a distant memory.

It won’t be my responsibility if Labour don’t get a majority. It will be Labours responsibility.

How the heck can Labour not care about women, but it’s women’s fault if they don’t get a majority?

This logic applies to almost every scenario where the victimised/oppressed have some limited power.

They can hit out (like the white working class did by voting for Brexit) and end up totally fucked for all time.

Or they can vote for the party which OVERALL has a greater interest in the marginalised/oppressed, and try and fix things once they're in.

Only the latter path has a hope of success.

So...less opposition is what's going to stop people voting in protest in 2029? Really? Odd take.

Labour won’t solve everything or please the electorate with or without a large majority.

They’ve been happy to blame the Tories for things out of their control, and now it will happen to them.

We have to hope the public grow up and wise up about what a government can and cannot achieve. The media and civil service could clean up their acts, that would help.

But yes, if the public become increasingly frustrated, they may vote in some fascists who promise to exercise some power.

Labour will get enough votes. Whether they can deliver what the electorate are expecting is down to them

And the small matter of the economic reality, a Europe which is increasingly leaning to the right, a potential Trump presidency, a party filled with warring factions currently on truce and a leader with a piss poor personal approval rating to hold it all together. What could go wrong, right?

I will not be voting Labour

And I will not be voting conservative

Maybe a vote for Reform is a smack in the mouth and a bloody nose for both Labour and Conservative. They are both pants.

Not decided who to vote for yet. Will decide on the 10 min walk to the polling station. The choices are;

Lib Dem - I do not align myself with them at all but they are no.2 in my area to a rubbish Con MP. I want them out.

Reform - a protest vote

Independent - he looks really good, but it may be a wasted vote

I think it’ll all come down to which side of the bed I get out of tomorrow. If I get a coffee and log on here and see someone banging on about VAT and privileged kids then I may get pissed off again and vote for Nigel.

That’s a bit too much realism for mn but yep ;

if the public become increasingly frustrated, they may vote in some fascists who promise to exercise some power.

That what I've seen political commentors saying - they all think Labour will be next government but say if they lurch to the left in office losing the middle ground or can't effect enough change it could lead to an embolden right - and give someone like Farage a chance.

Interestingly just saw a pollster saying while it close to call in many area though expects a Labour majority - though Labour share of vote has dropped few percentage points in last few days - but if you add share of vote for both two main parties together - Con + Lab - it looks like it will be only about 60% of the vote - the lowest in modern political times - people are looking at other parties not just Labour/Conservative.

Far Right now is just what Right was 15 years ago I think.

Both parties Tory and Labour had very similar policies - Net Zero (Conservatives implementing it slightly slower) Mass imigration, Globalist Capitalism and anti- Natiolism. Since Cameron the Conservatives were not interested in conserving anything and became kind of more corrupt version of Blair middleground.

The Left have moved further toward American Obama politics, Left wing 'greavance' politics of a coalition of the oppressed and Starmer is going to have a job I think holding the centre ground, there will be a lot of pressure to move further Left.

All this voting won't really make much of a difference when the WEF is forwarding their plan for a stakeholder society when we will own nothing and be thankful.

Labour will get a majority, they will continue to ignore the concerns of Reform voters and our politics will be more right wing by 2029. If we're lucky Farage will be the worst that happens.

I'm not voting Reform but I'm heartily sick of people telling others how to vote when they and the Labour party have been warned for years about the direction of travel and all they've had to offer is insults. Let the chips fall where they may.

The shit show will not me of my making and I'll vote for whoever the hell I like.

So what OP? I'm OK with that.

That doesn't make sense. Labour don't need a landslide to govern effectively, they just need a decent majority. Which even the most pessimistic polls confirm they will get.

If they fail to achieve anything much (which I agree is quite possible) it will be because they lack any kind of vision, integrity, ambition or ideological commitment, not because they don't have the numbers. If anything, a smaller majority and more seats held by other progressive parties would put more pressure on them to act.

As one example: Most of the Labour membership backs a change in the voting system to proportional representation, as do the lib dems, Greens and Reform. But Starmer has vetoed it and that veto will be cemented by a huge majority. If they were a minority government dependent on other parties' support, they'd be much likelier to deliver this policy that would take one piece of wind out of Reform's sails.

I agree with your first two paragraphs but wouldn’t PR help Reform a fair bit?

It's so hard to take you seriously.

The white working class are fucked for all time because of Brexit? How long are you going to continue to gaslight people? Why is it that the principles of supply and demand apply to all markets except the labour and housing market? People in unskilled, semi skilled and manual jobs are not having to compete so hard for jobs. They don't give a shit if you have to queue a bit longer at passport control.

The political scientists are pretty clear now, globalisation screws over the working class by suppressing wages and increasing unemployment. It transfers wealth to the 1% and swells the ranks of the middle classes in Asia but not in Europe.

Stop using faux concern for the "working class" as a source for your moral superiority. You don't appear to have the first clue about the reality of their lives and I don't think you care.

That what I've seen political commentors saying - they all think Labour will be next government but say if they lurch to the left in office losing the middle ground or can't effect enough change it could lead to an embolden right - and give someone like Farage a chance.

Why on Earth would Labour lurch to the left in office, under a leader without a single left wing bone in his body, after spending the last four years destroying their own left and advertising the fact as loudly as they can to the country as evidence of how grown up and ready to govern they are, with a lukewarm manifesto that doesn't even promise anything much "left" in the first place?

Labour governments always veer to the right once in office, compromising on their principles and aspirations as they come into contact with the realities of governing. The difference now is that this one doesn't even have any principles or aspirations to start with, and is already nearly as far to the right as their opponents.

Labour should have got some decent policies in. Not my fault they haven't.

Blame Labour if they fail, not the public.