If Labour doesn't get a landslide, Farage will be our PM in 2029

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Please don't do a protest vote.

I understand why you want to. I too am very very angry with the Labour Party - because of their position on women's rights to single sex (not gender) spaces, opportunities etc. I despise many of them.

But if they don't get a governable majority, we will have five years of stasis. They will not be able to show the country what they can do for all of us - their hands will be tied.

And in five years time, Reform will be able to say - look how shit they are. They're all the same. They've achieved nothing. Only Reform can deliver change.

That's if Farage is not the leader of the Conservatives by then, which is possibly more likely.

Yes it would.

That won’t happen

Farage had no interest in being an MP never mind PM he is too lazy he doesn’t want to do any real political work

his only interest is gaining publicity for himself and creating division which he is very successful at doing

This is literally what everyone said about Johnson.

Being lazy and loving publicity absolutely

But it was always very clear what position he wanted and that was to be PM

Lol I'm not gaslighting anyone. My family is WWC, so I care very much. No need for faux anything.

Globalisation screws the working class - and with Brexit, that's what we've got no protection from. The only hope with had was the closed shop of the EU.

Not pretty, but true. You think globalisation has gone away after Brexit?

"It's so hard to take you seriously" ffs. This is not an urbane metropolitan dinner party where it's important who to take seriously and who's a bit frivolous. This is the fucking future for a lot of people who are very much not you, with your 'You are not serious people', playing at being in Succession, pretending you're in the .01% but you're actually in the basic 1% upper middle, concerns.

He'll be lucky if he's still breathing without the aid of an oxygen cylinder under his wheelchair. He's not a leader - he's just a bloke that shouts stuff from the back of the room and disappears when people have to roll their sleeves up and make real decisions. Where was he after Brexit? Where was he a week before the election was announced. Tosser.

The EU was a globalist project not a closed shop.

No globalisation hasn't gone away after Brexit. Do you think Keir "I feel more comfortable at DAVOS than in Westminster" Starmer is going to do anything to curb it's effects in the UK?

Labour and the Tories are both neo liberal parties who will sell the UK to the highest bidder. Both have parachuted off spring of large donors into constituencies as candidates. In Labours case using the nec to bypass the usual selection process.

But - and this was the point of my OP, if you recall - Labour's general direction of travel is quite different from any other party, in terms of having literally any interest in working people at all.

Labour is shit - but it's MUCH LESS SHIT than any of the other parties.

The core voter base of the Labour Party is split into two. It's traditional working class voter base and now middle class graduates. The needs and interests of those groups cannot be reconciled. Labour pay lip service to the working class whilst treating them with utter contempt.

The Tories have always treated them with contempt so there is not the same sense of betrayal.

If Labour cannot deliver for the red wall constituencies then Farage or similar as PM is a very likely outcome in 2029. There is only so long people will give you the benefit of the doubt if your biggest selling point is "we're not as shit as the Tories".

This.

Totally agree OP. Protest votes and spoiled ballots are of no use.
I feel like we are sleep walking into the rise of the nazis. Most germans thought Hitler was a crass little nutcase and didn’t take action to stop him. Look how well that turned out. Garbarge will be using the next five years to establish himself and promote his moronic nasty minded ideas and if voters don’t think sufficient has already been achieved in 2029 he could gain a lot of ground.
Labour will be facing an incredible mountain trying to undo 14 years of damage. The bigger majority the better to achieve what needs to be done.
Being a single issue voter on womens rights is cutting of our nose to spite our face.

Agree your last point. But they have to have a meaningful majority first - THEN they can either succeed, or fail to deliver.

If I'm honest I think that a lack of education in the WWC, leading to real difficulty with critical thinking (looking at my own family), will always fuck Labour either way.

There was a self-interested reason that New Labour focused on early years and Schools for the Future.

But I fundamentally disagree that working class and young middle class interests cannot be reconciled. The young middle class is a lot more self aware than it's ever been, and I think a meaningful social democracy can speak to both - and that ultimately, the only way for the young middle class to feel ok about life is if they know that their security is not won by treading on the backs of those lower down the ladder.

Maybe everyone can vote for someone else to fck up the country a little bit more or they might surprise us an actually make a change!! I mean labour an tory have both had there fair shares let's give some1 else a go green party all the way!!

I would think that the backlash to Labour in power - the persuasiveness of the argument "they had five years and haven't accomplished what they promised/what the people want" would be INCREASED by a huge Labour majority. Look how people excused the failures of the first Cameron government because the coalition with the Lib Dems was perceived as freeing them from their manifesto promises, or of May's government after she lost the Conservative majority. In both of those cases, the hamstrung Conservatives limped badly but the next election brought a big Conservative majority. If Labour have a (Boris) Johnson-size majority now, and things continue to be fucked up, that's when you'll see real backlash IMO. Maybe not in five years, but certainly in ten.

OP, I do understand where you’re coming from. If Starmer doesn’t do a good job, and let’s face it if he gets in today he has a probably more to do than any other incoming prime minister, then people who voted for him, not because they’re pro Labour but just want the Tories out for now, could go further to the right and Reform will gain even more seats in the next election. You only need to look at what’s happening in France to see how this happens.

How about you vote for who you want and leave other adults to their own decisions, regardless of whether you agree with them?

I'm not voting. I have no faith in any of them and I'm really sick right now and don't want to go to the polling station.

Also you only need to see on here how much more support Reform has been getting to realise them becoming a real threat in a few years is a reality. It would have been unthinkable for Marie La Pen’s party to get anywhere near power and yet here we are. It’s terrifying.

I’m not voting labour or conservative. The reason conservatives have been in so long is because previously, labour screwed it right up and everyone was sick of them. Now the conservatives have done the same. Why go around in circles? It’s time for someone new!

The marginalized and oppressed in the UK? Who are they? Seriously who are you talking about?

I’m not a clever MN woman. I bow to their wordsmith and wisdom. I’m just a pissed off low paid disabled woman, mother, carer. I don’t tend to get into written arguments. Or any arguments really.

I don’t tend to think along the victimised v oppressed. But supposing I did, am I supposed to vote for the party that has a greater interest in other marginalised oppressed people knowing that by doing so I’m shooting the female and children oppressed in The foot? If so this sounds awfully like “be kind” and put your needs last little women. It’ll all be ok.