Reform campaigners in Clacton

[CassieMaddox]

Channel 4 news gone undercover with Reform campaigners in Clacton (where Farage is standing).
Just shocking. They aren't even pretending to be anything other than BNP in suits at this point.

https://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-undercover-inside-reforms-campaign-evidence-of-homophobia-and-canvassers-racism

No it doesn’t matter to me, C4 investigations are not my thing anyway so I couldn’t care less how they are perceived, they do appeal to some which is fine.

I don’t think anyone will change their vote for Reform based on this story anyway.

If you’re concerned that people will vote switch on this guy being real or not I wouldn’t stress. People will just vote aa they were going to

Have you read about the rise of far right parties in Europe which inflame tensions on immigration?

Reform are strong vocally on their anti immigration message but their manifesto says they're only going to cut down on 'non essential immigration '. Their promise on small boats is a lie; it's unachievable.

Does it bother you that people from ethnic minorities may feel intimidated and unsafe with such open rhetoric and dog whistle politics?

How can an investigation not be "your thing"? You prefer racism & homophobia to remain unexposed? I suppose that would make it easier to vote Farage.

Given that s/he came on the thread to introduce Farage's false conspiracy theory and went on to falsely attribute views to Reform (that police cars should be neutral when what the Reform member actually said was police shouldn't support Pride because gay people are 'nonces' - nothing to do with neutrality, all homophobia) I would say s/he's not worried about that, no

I much prefer political analysis on the radio or articles

I know what’s happening but that kind of TV isn’t my bag

Good news @easternstandard - Channel 4 wrote an accompanying article to the piece! You don't have to watch the tv version.

https://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-undercover-inside-reforms-campaign-evidence-of-homophobia-and-canvassers-racism

Clare Countinho has rightly complained about Farage's candidates using language like slut, bitch, bint and hag.

I honestly don't know how anyone can vote for a party where the activists suggest rounding people up to shoot them or replacing the police with paramilitaries.

Thanks for links

To give an example I was listening to a brilliant piece covering each EU country post June election

The reasons for shift to right etc informed and rational

I know what’s going on it’s just a different way to access info

Don't be silly, of course not - there have always been nutters, extremists, racists, and there always will be - they are best ignored and avoided (and punished if they break the law)

But I want to live in a country that is fair, accepting of peoples differences, has great public services. Unfortunately our general fairness and generosity makes us a magnet for all and sundry to rock up in dinghies un announced.

Immigration is categorically a good thing, but done in a proper fashion, with applications, checks and visas so said immigrants can hop on a plane and land welcomed, with a job to go to and somewhere to live, and a tax code, in numbers that can be accommodated without disadvantaging the current population.

Don't be silly, of course not - there have always been nutters, extremists, racists, and there always will be

Glad you accept this @propertymanager - given that your first post on this thread was to spread Farage's baseless conspiracy theory that this particular extremist was a plant and the exposè a setup, I'm relieved that you do realise that racist extremists exist and don't have to be invented.

I take issue with your stance that they are 'best ignored' - when they form political movements, their views need to be exposed so that we can all see what the party (or in this case private company) stands for.

I prefer not to ignore violent fantastists & thugs when they are running for political office.

The majority of those on the small boats are from Afghanistan which is currently under the regime of the Taliban. There is no way of applying for asylum outside the UK.

Reform's answer is take them back to France. France won't accept them back and has already been clear that they won't accept push backs.

We're not talking about a few 'nutters', these are candidates for a political party (Ltd company). If Reform isn't dependent on dog whistle politics, why are these racists attracted to them?

I’m not ignoring this rise in fact I’ve been saying it’ll happen for some time

I am listening to informed views though and making decisions based on those

Interesting that they’re being defended by someone who peppers numerous threads with posts about “women’s rights”.

Reform's misogyny is another major issue - the endorsement of Andrew Tate, Farage's opposition to maternity pay, the sexist language as mentioned. That, along with the homophobia, do get a bit overshadowed by the violent racism but we shouldn't forget.

its a party for old, male, pale and stale with a few foolish others who reckon racism, homophobia or sexism won’t ever apply to them. Which it will.

I assume right now that the Conservatives are crunching numbers and starting to test who looks popular as a new leader. And then they will decide where to draw the line and deal with Nigel Farage. If that leader is not also male, pale and stale I will be surprised. They will be wanting this Farage vote back.

I know of some single issue voters, who are voting Reform on women's rights. That's the problem with single issue voters, they don't consider the party as a whole.

Every party has someone that's said something shitty. Sadly. Which evil do we vote for?...

One that isn’t stuffed with racist misogynists.

Which other mainstream party is comparable?

It's quite simple, isn't it.

Oh this is easy. We vote for the parties who don't advocate shooting anyone who isn't white.

That leaves all the other parties except Reform.

People are still supporting the old NF on here, only it's now Nigel Farage's private company?

Who is defending them and ‘peppers threads’

I see you on threads telling women you don’t care every time