Labour and Pensioners

[Mycatsmudge]

So Labour has declared they will not increase taxes and NI on working people, but they need to raise money for their manifesto promises such as free breakfast clubs, more teachers, dentists etc. To help pay for it all would it be a good idea if they remove the triple lock on state pensions and make pensioners pay NI?

Literally waltzed? That must have been entertaining.

Do you mean Andrew Neil? Or his "expert"? I assume they weren't imagining Labour are planning to make pensioners pay NI, so that is just divisive scaremongering on your part based on your visit to an art gallery and dislike of old people.
It's probably fair to say that some of Labour's ambitions are predicated on economic growth, and so were Liz Truss's but there the similarity ends so it's a fairly tenuous connection in my view.

Fucking well dressed old people, with their ballroom dancing skills.

Was it a Viennesse waltz, a Cajun waltz, a slow waltz? So many questions!

Tbh I don’t think this poster should be taken seriously. If you can’t get someone’s name right you are either purposely disrespectful to that person or a troll.

What I want to know is:

WHO PAID FOR THE BALLROOM DANCING LESSONS?

They aren't great at detail on the substantive issues are they?

It’s an old technique to mangle someone’s name to annoy them and it also works on the internet. The posters who consistently do it are disengenuous imo as to ther motives, matter where they are on the political spectrum.

No matter…

Wow, you do realise that people can't help getting old and having to deal with the health problems that brings and you think they should be penalised for that?

Why not make fat people pay more NI as we all know being overweight causes health problems, or people who smoke, drink etc.

The couple at the gallery were DH and I. Don't we scrub up well.
We literally take the cab and waltz everywhere now. It's our only option since our local bus service was withdrawn during the austerity years.

Hey OP - you should go to the National Gallery instead. Thanks to the last Labour government It's free for everyone regardless of age, wealth, dancing ability or level of grooming.

I think we should make people who lack critical thinking skills pay extra NI, extrapolating from the numbers on here, you'd raise an absolute fortune.

How would you measure that?

You could start with people who think observations at art galleries are a sensible basis for fiscal policy reform.

Confused my threads!

I think you’ve posted to the wrong thread @Houseofdragonsisback.

Pensioners on average actually have higher incomes than workers now.

amazing but true!

So amazing that I’d like to see the stats behind it.

we do need to raise money for better services and we have an ageing population so the issue will get worse.

There is too much tax on income vs wealth.

"a sizeable number of current pensioners are relatively well off with a healthy amount of disposable income due to house price increases."

Equity in your home isn't disposable income.

Wow, you do realise that people can't help getting old and having to deal with the health problems that brings and you think they should be penalised for that?

We all have to pay more for a better health service

Why not make fat people pay more NI as we all know being overweight causes health problems, or people who smoke, drink etc.

You know there are older people who are fat, smoke, drink etc & there are taxes on cigarettes etc.

Equity in your home isn't disposable income.

Not unless you access it eg equity release, downsizing. My inlaws house was 60k in the 80s & is now 1.7m. Lots of people would be happy to have that equity because it does give you options.

Pensioners on average actually have higher incomes than workers now.

I thought it was disposable income?

Why is it ok for pensioners to pay less tax than working age people on the same income? Pensioners are actually the wealthiest demographic.

Regardless older people should not be paying less tax. The current generation of pensioners paid less in and are taking more out. Ni is just another tax - no reason it shouldn’t be levied on everyone equally.