Labour and Pensioners

[Mycatsmudge]

So Labour has declared they will not increase taxes and NI on working people, but they need to raise money for their manifesto promises such as free breakfast clubs, more teachers, dentists etc. To help pay for it all would it be a good idea if they remove the triple lock on state pensions and make pensioners pay NI?

Exactly and it distracts attention from ultra rich people like our current pm paying tax at about 25%

It's not a plan, just sneering. OP won't answer any questions about the detail.

I don't think it is reasonable to introduce, effectively an 8%+ "tax" increase to one group, overnight.
Bear in mind too that many / most of this group no longer have the ability to work more / longer to make up that income shortfall.

I have 40 years of NI contributions. I’ve worked hard as an NHS nurse and I bloody well deserve a decent pension and retirement.

This is such an ageist idea.

The well heeled couple probably in their 60s was expensively dressed and groomed. Being able to arrived in a black cab indicates a healthy level of disposable income, they literally waltzed into the foyer so not needing a taxi due to disabilities.

Where is evidence 1 in 4 pensioner is a millionaire? I've never seen this anywhere.

Not sneering just wondering how Labour will pay for their spending pledges. They have said they will not increase taxes and NI on working people so the other group are those not in work including pensioners. Since a sizeable number of current pensioners are relatively well off with a healthy amount of disposable income due to house price increases, final and state pensions maybe also investments should Labour consider making those who have income over the threshold pay NI?

I doubt very much that they “literally” waltzed in and have you never heard of hidden disability? You’re really not helping yourself here. Basing fiscal policy on one London couple is not a sensible way to go.

Sunak said the Tories will cut £12bn from the benefits that go to disabled people by hounding those who are mentally unwell and those who are "less disabled".

So if Andrew O’Neil is wrong in this how do you think Labour will raise money to fund their spending pledges?

His name’s Andrew Neil and he’s a Tory shill.

Bloody hell. So they should only dress in rags from the chazza shops, cut their hair with the kitchen scissors and only ever take the bus?

Shouldn't it be that as a society we aspire to everyone having a comfortable retirement?

@Mycatsmudge if the couple you're so jealous of were in their sixties there's every chance that they were still working. Two professional salaries would go quite a long way towards a taxi fare. And did they really waltz in?(You said literally)

I’d take notice of your opinions if you moderated your language. I enjoy civilised debate but your swearing detracts from your argument. I’m keen to listen to everyone but turn off when it turns to abuse.

So if Andrew O’Neil is wrong in this how do you think Labour will raise money to fund their spending pledges?

I think part of the focus on state pension is a sense from anyone younger that it's probably not going to be there for them when they retire. That it's a dying benefit.

I hate the reduction in NI we've seen - despite it being short term better for me personally. I'd like to see renewal of the unspoken contract of paying NI and getting reasonable health care and a state pension back as a result of it. Instead of this vague 'it's a tax when we want it to be and not when we don't' scenario we have now.

And keep it in line with life expectancy. Now LE is dropping again a bit, the pension age should follow suit.

Give everyone confidence that they will have a half decent pension and be able to retire at a half decent age - so that we do away with the perception that pensioners now are getting a benefit that will be eroded by the time younger people need it.

Andrew Neil. FGS

So if Andrew O’Neil is wrong in this how do you think Labour will raise money to fund their spending pledges?

His name isn’t O’Neil! I think the Labour manifesto explains where the funding will come from. I’m not the one disputing it.

It's literally in their fairly clear fiscal plan in their manifesto

Now, there'll be lots of economists that think the income won't amount to the outcome. Just as they do for all the other parties (to a greater degree than with Labour's). But the detail is there.

It's Andrew NEIL there is no "O"

I'm a rich as fuck retiree and don't need my state pension at all. I agree it should be means tested.

I deferred my state pension for 2 years and carried on working. I would have been happy to carry on paying NI during that time and thought it very odd that it wasn't deducted. I think it should be paid on everybody's earned income, including pensioners.

His name is Andrew Neil NOT O’NEIL. The Labour Party has published its manifesto. Have you read it? That’s where you’ll get your answer.

I think Neil might object; he is proud Scotsman.

Thats is a very good point about the waltzers probably still working. People in their 60's are part of the retire at 67 crowd.