I would love for the tory party to not even make it to be the opposition.. what are the chances?

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It would be awesome if the Greens or the Libdems became the official opposition. I would even prefer Reform to the current tories.

Any chance at all, do you think?

People like to pretend that they know better than the economists advising the parties. If they had a chance at it, they'd likely be worse than Truss.

I can't stand the Tories, but Reform taking over from the Tories as the official opposition would be catastrophic.

It is reverse takeover. You can see Farage recruiting friendly Tories, and after the loss they will become very right wing, and for “common sense”. He is setting their agenda. The Tories have no clue how to get their old middle class vote back, they have given up trying. That just means they have given Labour the centre and now are scrapping with Reform. Well they are going to lose on immigration, armed forces, housing, policing and crime because they have stuffed that all up and Farage can say anything and it will emotionally connect. If the Tory Party cannot look after the middle class then it is toast.

You are spot on OP, the "Tories wont make it to the opposition"!!!

Tories will win, I'm certain ATM. Politics is a is a funny old game as Cocknies often say!!

Democracy needs a strong opposition that can hold the government to account. Its better to have people that have held senior roles previously to help with this. Although the longer you are in opposition the less of those people are about.

So no I would, if labour got in, prefer a conservative opposition than reform.

Why? they are pretty much one in the same thing now, the Tories are far too the right of Thatcher, her stalwarts like Clarke and Heseltine kicked out as too left wing, even Major resigned.

The rise of Reform is due to the failure of the Tories, they ve governed for themselves an not the uk.

Sunak says he is campaigning not to come third. They are finished

Just a friendly reminder that Reform is a limited company, not a political party.