I would love for the tory party to not even make it to be the opposition.. what are the chances?

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It would be awesome if the Greens or the Libdems became the official opposition. I would even prefer Reform to the current tories.

Any chance at all, do you think?

One of the aides suggested it. I don't really know why.

@RishiSunak - could you, as you sometimes do, cut this matter short? I think a lot of people would be relieved if you curtailed the election and brought it forward.

Seen some numbers claiming Lib Dems ahead of Tories, but I doubt it. It would be good if they could have more representation so it might expand the choice of viable parties somewhat.

You should be paying more attention. What were you doing, polishing your CV?

If you lived in a Lib Dem governed local
Authority you may not be wishing that they become the opposition party.

Very true!

Our Reform candidate cites 'adding to my collection of tattoos' as his hobby. Each to his own but surely you can try and make yourself sound slightly more interesting.

If be fine with a Green or Libdem opposition. I've been persuaded that PR is the right way to go, reluctantly. My reluctance comes from not wanting that chancer Farrager anywhere near government, even in opposition. The man is not only pure poison, he's only interested in Farrage. He'll go whever the wind blows him. Populism should never be allowed to flourish.

it's called "populism" in the same way that every party manipulates words. To fool people. See "Bolshevik" for example .

Slim. It will be much closer than the polls suggest unless turnout in the younger age groups is much better than it likely will be.

See, I don't think they did mess up. They held the Tories more ridiculous policies ( Brexit) at bay. Tuition fees, well the Lib dems long held policy is for PR. The inevitable result of PR is coalition government. Coalition government means compromise, so you get to do some things but not others. No point complaining that the thing you want to happen happens. iirc their policy was for a graduate tax anyway, which is just a more honest tuition fee. If you are paying for free university from general taxation, then all that happens is people who don't go to University end up paying for those who do. In Scotland, FE is being slashed to pay for a few people to go to University. People who don't go to university and lower socio economic groups need FE. They have messed up since, with their gender stuff and taking money from pharma companies that produce puberty blockers, but overall imo the 2010-2015 coalition government were the last sensible government we have had.

In Germany they have a 5% floor for representation. Obviously sometimes the hard Right or Left will get higher than that, but not by much, and the far Right/ left hardly ever. You can have PR without the lunatic fringe. At the moment the lunatic fringe are within the main parties, so vote for a large party and get the nutters too.

It's not a dream in the Netherlands, they expect nothing less of their government.
But here? Never! Too grown up, too respectful of the electorate.

Not at all, I don't have time. Do you know how many 'O's there are to colour in for each parties manifestos?
There's a lot, i can tell.you. 😡

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@DramaLlamaBangBang that is reassuring and a bit frightening in equal parts. But I think you are right. I mean, I thought Patel couldn't be worse, and along came Braverman to put me right.

So being afraid the far right might get a foothold in our politics is dead in the water., Isn't it? They are already here.

I really think this country needs not one parliament of Labour, but at least two, if not three to get on the correct course.

This is in part why the Corbyn years were such a disaster. Tory party didn’t have a credible opposition.

That's exactly what I was trying to do.

However there are protocols and stuff that one apparently has to go through. (You need to speak to Black Rod about that!)

I have to say it's really put the mockers on my Summer Holiday plans. There'll be no singing of that famous song of crooner Cliff Richard from the back of the car this year...

Chances increasing by the day it seems.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49735-reform-now-1pt-ahead-of-the-tories-although-this-is-still-within-the-margin-of-error

The Libdems and the Greens are you serious? Have you seen their manifestos? 🤣🤣🤣

I've seen the green manifesto, I find it quite compelling. I have not seen the libdems

What don't you like about the green?

Yes. The Conservatives should be thinking this can get much worse. They are losing one to two points a week to Reform. They are in real trouble now. Three weeks to go. Drop another three points and they will really be at risk of coming third

my biggest concern is Reform gaining seats. I’m not concerned about Tories winning seats as Labour are very likely to have a comfortable majority

I wish all the main parties would stand together against Reform

I hope LibDems do well I am not sure they will

and when you have a huge swing one way it will again swing the other way as we shall always face hard times

No I wouldn't prefer Reform.

Completely agree with this. The Conservatives were able to behave so badly because Labour completely fell apart under Corbyn and was not able to be an effective opposition.n

I agree