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General election 2024

Incoming Labour supermajority

67 replies

SerendipityJane · 12/06/2024 10:08

According to no less than that the many people that go to make up Grant Shapps.

Not really sure you are supposed to say the quiet bit out loud mate.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 12/06/2024 16:38

LauraNorda · 12/06/2024 16:08

Because, even with a majority of 80, Boris Johnson still suffered a few defeats in the House of Commons.

If an incoming labour administration has a majority in the hundreds, a defeat is very unlikely and thats not good for the country.

Bring it on!

At least they won’t derail the economy, public services and basic infrastructure.

DogInATent · 12/06/2024 16:40

There's no such thing as a supermajority in UK parliament - it's not set-up that way. There's just a working majority (more than everyone else that's likely to disagree with you), or a majority (more than everyone else put together), or there isn't. The only fudge factor in it are any seats won by Sinn Féin which are discounted for the purposes of determining a majority.

With something like a referendum it's a marker that sufficient consensus is reached to put the result beyond doubt, usually requiring consent from the either 2/3 of the actual turnout or >50% of all eligible voters.

AyrshireTryer · 12/06/2024 16:43

Huzzah!

Cattery · 12/06/2024 16:43

SerendipityJane · 12/06/2024 12:05

We don't have the concept of a supermajority in the UK parliament.

Grant Shapps clearly does. And he's in government, so he should know.

Yeh cos he’s really smart

DogInATent · 12/06/2024 16:45

By the way, how many of Grant Shapps' personalities are required to agree to achieve a supermajority?

SerendipityJane · 12/06/2024 16:56

DogInATent · 12/06/2024 16:45

By the way, how many of Grant Shapps' personalities are required to agree to achieve a supermajority?

Well the ones not changing a lightbulb presumably ....

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LauraNorda · 12/06/2024 17:54

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 12/06/2024 16:38

Bring it on!

At least they won’t derail the economy, public services and basic infrastructure.

You're not old enough to remember the 70's, are you?

SerendipityJane · 12/06/2024 17:56

LauraNorda · 12/06/2024 17:54

You're not old enough to remember the 70's, are you?

Like nearly all of the Labour party today.

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pointythings · 12/06/2024 17:59

LauraNorda · 12/06/2024 17:54

You're not old enough to remember the 70's, are you?

I am. But that is completely irrelevant, because we aren't living in the 70s, Labour today is a completely different party, and we are living in a completely different world. Scaremongering about what happened 50 years ago is an incredibly weak Tory tactic.

SerendipityJane · 12/06/2024 18:00

pointythings · 12/06/2024 17:59

I am. But that is completely irrelevant, because we aren't living in the 70s, Labour today is a completely different party, and we are living in a completely different world. Scaremongering about what happened 50 years ago is an incredibly weak Tory tactic.

The only party trying to take us back to the 70s - the 1870s - are the tories.

Also we now know even the Tories don't give a shit what happened 80 years ago.

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DogInATent · 12/06/2024 18:03

LauraNorda · 12/06/2024 17:54

You're not old enough to remember the 70's, are you?

I'm not so old that I have cognitive difficulties recalling the last 14 years.

Same "remember the 70s" boomer-shit every time. Half a century ago.

GasPanic · 12/06/2024 18:07

SerendipityJane · 12/06/2024 16:21

I have spent 50 years being told by both parties how "strong government" in the form of non-PR obtained majorities are preferable to PR, even if PR is more democratic.

If there is something wrong with that, the time to do something was before a supermajority was a possibility.

A long since passed friend once said to me that if the UK insisted on persisting with FPTP, then the electorate would just go around it. It was the first thing that occurred to me in 2015.

They wouldn't have to "go around it".

They could vote for a party that promises PR as part of their manifesto.

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2024 18:10

LauraNorda · 12/06/2024 17:54

You're not old enough to remember the 70's, are you?

If you are referencing a past Labour government, at least pick Blair/Brown if you want to make any sense.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 12/06/2024 18:26

I suppose if the Tories are wiped out, which is unlikely, opposition will largely be from within the Labour Party and from the other smaller parties. I don’t think it will mean committees won’t do their work or that bills won’t be scrutinised.

LauraNorda · 12/06/2024 18:28

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2024 18:10

If you are referencing a past Labour government, at least pick Blair/Brown if you want to make any sense.

OK, lets go with illegal Iraq war, PFIs that we are still paying for, introducing university tuition fees and then trebling them, house price inflation, oh and the Scottish parliament and the Welsh assembly.

I'm not saying that the Blair era was all bad but considering, at the time, inflation was low, energy was cheap and growth was high, there were many missed opportunities.

Mind you, the whole Blair family became millionaires, so not bad for them.

frankentall · 12/06/2024 18:28

DogInATent · 12/06/2024 18:03

I'm not so old that I have cognitive difficulties recalling the last 14 years.

Same "remember the 70s" boomer-shit every time. Half a century ago.

OI Some of us shit boomers are old enough to remember the 70s

We remember the Three day week, strikes and power cuts UNDER A TORY GOVERNMENT.

Not all boomers are Tories HTH

And stop using boomer as a term of abuse, it's fucking rotten.

SerendipityJane · 12/06/2024 18:28

GasPanic · 12/06/2024 18:07

They wouldn't have to "go around it".

They could vote for a party that promises PR as part of their manifesto.

It doesn't work that way

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frankentall · 12/06/2024 18:37

GasPanic · 12/06/2024 18:07

They wouldn't have to "go around it".

They could vote for a party that promises PR as part of their manifesto.

In FPTP no party that stands a chance of gaining a majority would promise PR - and they don't.

FPTP brought us millions voting for Greens and UKIP and having their votes ignored.

I don't think we'd have had the Brexit referendum if not for FPTP - Cameron wanted to silence the EU sceptics who had inhabited the Tory Party due to UKIP having no electoral success.

If UKIP had been elected into parliament like they were in a few councils, they would have shown how useless they were.

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2024 18:38

“Mind you, the whole Blair family became millionaires, so not bad for them.”

Have you seen Rishi Sunak??

bombastix · 12/06/2024 18:39

I love this new line of attack; Labour will have a majority and do things apparently. Oh. No.

shows how bad the Conservatives are. Remedial politics for people the bottom set of government.

AmelieTaylor · 12/06/2024 18:42

pointythings · 12/06/2024 15:54

I'm here for the supermajority. I remember 1997 - 2010.
One hopes Keir Starmer has learned from the Tories how not to handle parry discipline; he seems to have done well at culling his own batshit element, whereas the Tories are letting them run things.

@pointythings

say what?

Are you closing your eyes & ears to the whole Dianne Abbott debacle??

AmelieTaylor · 12/06/2024 18:46

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 12/06/2024 16:38

Bring it on!

At least they won’t derail the economy, public services and basic infrastructure.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

sorry but 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

pointythings · 12/06/2024 18:52

frankentall · 12/06/2024 18:37

In FPTP no party that stands a chance of gaining a majority would promise PR - and they don't.

FPTP brought us millions voting for Greens and UKIP and having their votes ignored.

I don't think we'd have had the Brexit referendum if not for FPTP - Cameron wanted to silence the EU sceptics who had inhabited the Tory Party due to UKIP having no electoral success.

If UKIP had been elected into parliament like they were in a few councils, they would have shown how useless they were.

I absolutely agree with you. The UK has a huge democratic deficit and it's caused by FPTP. There's a reason why so very few countries in the world use it.

Yes, under PR we would have had UKIP in Parliament. Yes, PR is bringing us right wing governments in Europe. But the political pendulum will always swing, and the bottom line is that PR is more democratic.

LauraNorda · 12/06/2024 18:53

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2024 18:38

“Mind you, the whole Blair family became millionaires, so not bad for them.”

Have you seen Rishi Sunak??

I think the Sunaks were rich before he entered politics. Most of it is his wifes.

The Blairs became millionaires on the back of policies that the government introduced. Bit of a stench there, if you ask me.

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