Tonight's debate 7.30pm BBC 1

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Anyone fancy a discussion thread?

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Not sure there was any clear winner last night.

https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/general-election-2024/snap-poll-post-bbc-seven-party-debate/

And we know women's rights aren't all about gender. The Tories have been a nightmare for women without even going into any gender stuff.

The labour 2019 voters preferring Farage is not what I was expecting.

I think we were ahead of the curve in Europe and are coming out of the populist right shit show just as they are going in.
The Europeans will need to take some time experiencing "government by soundbite" and then they will do the same.

I have to say fararge came over as the most statesmen like which is pretty depressing. After last night I can see reform getting a lot of votes which may make a dent into labour's majority

I have said this for ages and been shouted down - Reform will take votes from Labour more than they will the Tories. The red wall is not going to vote Labour en masse - I think that much of it will vote Reform.

I am not sure that the LP is awake to this yet.

I love how the BBC cut to the shaking head man in the audience every time Farage spoke though - no bias there at all!

That isn't what it shows. Labour 2019 voters have Rayner winning at 39% and Farage at 5%. They have Flynn in second place at 16%. So for Labour 2019 voters, Rayner won by a huge margin. As you would expect.

Only 5% of 2019 Labour voters preferred Farage's performance. 49% of previous Conservative voters preferred his performance.

Interestingly, when looking at how well everyone did, 20% of people think that Farage did very well, compared to 15% of people who said Rayner did very well.

The big question, which was never asked is, who did the undecided voters think did well?

No chance. Labour have their own sound bites ‘smash the gangs’.

How exactly still not said

All the green stuff that needs to be paid for

If US joins EU shift with Trump we’ll see

You mean preferring Farage to Mordaunt. They loved Rayner and Mordaunt constantly shouting her down probably resulted in that derisory result for her.

That isn’t what that research shows.

Ah apologies.

I misread the graph titles and read the 'all' graph as the labour 2019 one.

Still pretty worrying (for me personally) about the 'All' response.

We are headed for the perfect storm. A woefully inadequate cabinet with a colossal majority. I think if most Labour voters were honest about their motivation they would agree they are more keen to remove the Conservatives than they are to install the current Labour Party and personnel
into government.

It’s often been said, Labour don’t win elections - the Tories lose them.

Even Alastair Campbell admits there are factions of the Labour Party that are happy not to be in Government if it means they maintain their puritanical stance on certain issues.

Ignore - just read your correction.

Easy done, the graph titles were tiny and floating too far above to make it clear.

Not sure how much time there has been in three days to conclusively 'research' anything.

I think the polls are going to get very interesting in the red wall areas.

The phrase is actually “Oppositions don’t win elections, governments lose them”. I see the Tory penchant for twisting facts is still alive and well this morning.

You beat me to it! Good to remind people.

Tbf I did not look at the research, I just went on what the poster said. It is still something that I think will happen though. It's not just Tories that might turn to Reform.

Even Alastair Campbell admits there are factions of the Labour Party that are happy not to be in Government if it means they maintain their puritanical stance on certain issues

It has always been this way.

I think so too.

I find this projection that the "red wall" will vote Reform because they voted Brexit/Tories for "get brexit done/levelling up". I don't think reforms immigration heavy promises will necessarily play well there because I do actually think many of those voters were more upset about lack of investment/opportunities in the North and reform are saying nothing about that.