To think that it is difficult not to question the judgement of people who say I could never vote 'x'. (Replace 'x' with any political affiliation)

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Unless I have missed something, the main parties have all shown themselves to have questionable integrity and morals.

Of course all parties will lose their way sometimes. They will get stuff wrong. And they will contain individuals who lack any decency or integrity. That isn't really the point.

It's about core values. I could never vote for any right wing party because their core values don't align with mine. That isn't ever going to change.

Conservatives believe in state intervention only when it serves their personal interests as landlords, shareholders, property owners, bosses, military etc. They represent the monied class who wish to conserve the status quo.

Labour used to stand for some different things, like workers' rights and increasing equality through state intervention, but since 1994 are mostly Tory-lite.

conservatives believe in state intervention only when it serves their personal interests as landlords, shareholders, property owners, bosses, military etc. They represent the monied class who wish to conserve the status

its interesting though isn’t it how many people who don’t have money still vote Tory? One of the conservatives biggest successes has been convincing ppl who have next to nothing that somehow they care about them as much as they do landlords/bosses/land owners.

Of course all political parties and their promises must be treated with a critical eye. However I honestly could never vote for the Conservative party because their policies are nearly always about favouring the wealthy and penalising or ignoring g the poor. They have no interest in the protection of vulnerable people. It would be morally repugnant to vote for them.

There's nothing the Tories have touched that isn't now in crisis - housing, education, social care, justice, health ... there's actual shit coming out of the taps FFS! They've demonised the most vulnerable people in society while their mates have gone from rich to filthy rich - more billionaires and more children living in poverty, what a legacy! After years of Tory neglect and failed vanity projects the country needs rebuilding from the ground up. I'd consider voting for any party that was up for taking on that.

I would never vote for Labour and I gave up voting for the Conservatives awhile back after being a member of the young conservatives and then supporting them for years.

Labour and the Conservatives have both proven they are not fit to lead the country.

I'm only interested in far right parties now.

Your namesake would condemn you for that, I'm sure.

Yep. The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists is an old and brilliant novel about exactly this.

I looked this up, got one paragraph in, and have not the faintest idea what it’s on about. How does it relate to the political divide? I would love to have the brain cells required to understand this and once upon a time, I think I did have.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/

It's just stupid tribalism OP. See I vote X because my parents do, family do, always have done. No critical thinking skills.

But op isn't talking about people that always vote the same way.

Op is talking about people that never vote one specific way.

That's quite different. I will never vote Tory, but I have voted for four different parties and several independents.

Critical thinking skills? You don't even have reading comprehension skills.

But the reason that people won't EVER vote a certain way is often the same no? Tribalism. It's two side of the same coin. Not sure what's so hard to understand?

Thank you. So gracious.

But what if the Tories came out with your dream manifesto? Would you STILL refuse to vote for them? If so, it's silly tribalism.

You're the one having trouble imo.

How can not voting for someone be tribalism? So everyone who doesn't ever vote Tory is in one homogeneous group?

You're the one having trouble imo.

How can not voting for someone be tribalism? So everyone who doesn't ever vote Tory is in one homogeneous group?

Honestly, I used to be like this but age and experience has changed me.
To be honest in this up coming election I just feel despondent, don't actually want to vote, but I will, I just don't trust any of them anymore

It's never going to happen. If it did, of course I would consider it. Although I might be too distracted by the flying pigs to get to the polling station.

I'm a Labour voter, but I could potentially vote Lib Dem or Green. I could never vote for the Conservative party because they do not represent my political views or philosophy. This of course doesn't mean I agree with everything the other three parties say.

Only someone completely politically illiterate would think there was the remotest possibility of this happening.

It was a hypothetical question FFS. I really should not have to explain this should I. 😂

Because you do not consider them your 'tribe' and feel very anti in spite of whatever they may say or do.

It's tribalism to think that you don't have much in common with a specific group of politicians, and likely never will? A group that are generally wealthy, and are unlikely to understand the kind of issues people like me face? And therefore not want them to be the ones making laws that will affect me?

What dictionary do you have, because I want to read it!

You're still not getting it.

Just because one party is not for some people doesn't mean those people all think alike about another party.