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The Vegetable Patch Mark 2

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MereDintofPandiculation · 01/09/2022 09:13

A continuation of the thread for those of us growing edibles, to share triumphs and failures, swap expertise and solve problems

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whichwayiwonder · 08/04/2023 08:30

Lovemusic33 · 07/04/2023 21:43

I planted my broadbeans out on my plot today. I am now worrying about them 🤣, it’s the first thing I have planted up there that I have grown from seed. I hope nothing eats them over night. Mangetout will be going up there next followed by the peas.

Are you planning to protect the peas? My DH has spent the weekend installing rabbit proof fencing around out veggie garden but now it's the pigeons I'm most worried about.

AlisonDonut · 08/04/2023 08:57

whichwayiwonder · 08/04/2023 08:18

@AlisonDonut could you run me through your succession sugarsnap pea planting? Do you use the same bed? And do you just save save space for the next batch and already have supports in place? How long would you say it is from sowing until harvest?

I just sow about 20 in Feb and then again another 20 once they are about 3 inches tall, and keep doing that until late April. After then, they won't produce much come the summer.

I plant 20 out, with about 3-4 inches between them, in a block and put 4 canes in, at each corner. Then I put twine around the canes, so boxing them in, starting at the bottom in a spiral with about a foot in between each spiral bit. I tie it in to each cane as I go round. So they effectively grow in a tube.

Or I plant them in a line, put one cane at each end and again, put twine between the canes with about a foot between each line of twine. The height of canes and twine depends on the height of the final pea/mange tout plant. My Goldensweet Mangetout are about 3-4 ft tall whereas the Carouby De Maussaune can get up to 7ft tall so they get different cane heights. I'll also add others in as the season progresses if they go mad, to hold them up. And more twine if necessary.

I don't put it in the same bed as I split all my crops up around the place. So one batch will go in one space, the next in another and the next in another. This time of year there is quite alot of space waiting for things to go in.

Sowing til harvest, depends on variety etc. They all really get going once it stops frosting so the earlier ones will not be the same amount of early as the later ones, as the later ones do start to catch up. I'd say about 12 weeks from the early ones, to maybe 8 with the later ones.

whichwayiwonder · 08/04/2023 09:17

Thank you so much. I'll refer back to this as I go, but now planning sugar snaps instead on broad beans in the purple broccoli bed, as this will be the only one with proper pigeon protection. The other beds are experimental but I would like these two crops to provide us with a good amount of food. Thanks again!

Brieandbeetroot · 08/04/2023 09:27

My blueberry bushes are arriving today so by this afternoon I'll have three lovely bushes in big pots on the patio. Have chosen early, mid and late season varieties to spread out the crop. I have fond memories of picking blueberries in my grandparents garden as a little girl so hopefully my daughter will enjoy it too.

We bought some of the Thompson and Morgan Mr Men seeds as they're in clearance and sowed sunflowers, beans, broccoli and tomatoes for her little patch in the garden and they're starting to sprout so she's very excited.

I really need to get my tomatoes and some more peas sown today. Picked up another tray to keep seedling pots on so that should help. I've been using my nice kitchen tea tras to give me more space!

MereDintofPandiculation · 08/04/2023 09:28

whichwayiwonder · 08/04/2023 08:18

@AlisonDonut could you run me through your succession sugarsnap pea planting? Do you use the same bed? And do you just save save space for the next batch and already have supports in place? How long would you say it is from sowing until harvest?

You can’t use the same bed as the successive sowings are overlapping. No 2 will be coming into flower while you’re picking no 1, so when no 1 finished, no 2 isready to crop

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AlisonDonut · 08/04/2023 10:15

whichwayiwonder · 08/04/2023 09:17

Thank you so much. I'll refer back to this as I go, but now planning sugar snaps instead on broad beans in the purple broccoli bed, as this will be the only one with proper pigeon protection. The other beds are experimental but I would like these two crops to provide us with a good amount of food. Thanks again!

Just found an old photo of an old pea bed. This was in a pallet collar. Probably about 40 peas in here, all held together with just canes around the sides, no twine. They do hold themselves up using their tendrils if it isn't too windy.

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whichwayiwonder · 08/04/2023 10:31

Great! I can see how the peas would be hard to see in that lot.

@Brieandbeetroot i'm probably as excited dad your daughter. Envious of your blueberry bushes!

whichwayiwonder · 08/04/2023 10:32

Excited 'as'

Lovemusic33 · 08/04/2023 11:17

whichwayiwonder · 08/04/2023 08:30

Are you planning to protect the peas? My DH has spent the weekend installing rabbit proof fencing around out veggie garden but now it's the pigeons I'm most worried about.

No protection. They will just have to take their chances 😬, I don’t think we have many rabbits on the plot but apparently last year deer got in and ate someone’s sweetcorn. I am just planting extra in hope most of them survive.

lilyfire · 08/04/2023 11:28

Lovemusic33 · 08/04/2023 11:17

No protection. They will just have to take their chances 😬, I don’t think we have many rabbits on the plot but apparently last year deer got in and ate someone’s sweetcorn. I am just planting extra in hope most of them survive.

Do you direct sow the peas? I haven’t grown them before and am not sure whether I should start them off in pots but don’t have much room left to put them in if I do that. I’m in Surrey and presume it will be warm enough for them. I have some hoops and netting to use for the raised bed I plan to put them in to protect from birds/squirrels.

whichwayiwonder · 10/04/2023 07:26

@lilyfire did you direct sow them? If you've got hoops and nets I imagine they'll be fine.

I just realised that even with the amount of excitement, enthusiasm, energy and thought I'm dedicating to my new veg growing area I have had literally nothing actually germinate yet. 🙄

It's only been two weeks though. I do hope this isn't one massive disappointment for me (and DD).

lilyfire · 10/04/2023 07:32

@whichwayiwonder Yes I did direct sow them. Am crossing fingers they won’t just be eaten by mice/slugs.

PoseyFlump · 10/04/2023 07:38

Bloody weather! Wet, cold and windy this week but hope on the horizon for next week ☀️

whichwayiwonder · 10/04/2023 07:55

Oh dear yes, this week look grim. But next week looks amazing!

PoseyFlump · 10/04/2023 09:40

All I want is to be able to eat breakfast in the garden before going to work. Is that too much to ask universe?! 😂

MereDintofPandiculation · 10/04/2023 09:41

One thing I used to do, for slow germinating things that were spaced apart, like parsnips , was to interplant them with radishes, which germinate quickly. So I could see where the parsnips would be.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 10/04/2023 09:43

PoseyFlump · 10/04/2023 09:40

All I want is to be able to eat breakfast in the garden before going to work. Is that too much to ask universe?! 😂

That’s why we have a south facing porch Grin Good for sunny days in February (And amazing in a thunderstorm)

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Lovemusic33 · 10/04/2023 11:53

lilyfire · 08/04/2023 11:28

Do you direct sow the peas? I haven’t grown them before and am not sure whether I should start them off in pots but don’t have much room left to put them in if I do that. I’m in Surrey and presume it will be warm enough for them. I have some hoops and netting to use for the raised bed I plan to put them in to protect from birds/squirrels.

I sew in pots/trays then transport to my plot or garden when they are a couple inches tall. I haven’t had much luck seeing direct but am attempting sweet peas direct this year as an experiment 🤣.

PoseyFlump · 10/04/2023 18:13

I'm jealous @MereDintofPandiculation! I do love a thunderstorm. Sitting up in bed with the curtains wide looking out over the fields. Scary but exciting (especially if you're lucky to see the fork variety.)

Decafflatteplease · 11/04/2023 12:31

Decafflatteplease · 07/04/2023 17:10

Right I've shown my mange tout today, a month later than last year but hopefully it will be ok?!

I've just had my strawberry plants arrive but I think I've bought the wrong thing? I ordered bare root plants and they are just in this massive clump and don't even look like strawberry plants tbh! Anyone know what I'm meant to do with them they are all tangled. I've put them in water as the instructions said to do so. I should have just bought some ready potted ones from the garden centre!

Lovely morning in the garden this morning before rain the rest of the week. Have planted tomato seeds hopefully not too late! My little one is growing sunflowers from nursery so we've transferred them into bigger pots with a cane. Anyone know when they can go in a greenhouse we are running out of space on indoor windowledges!

Also I potted up the bare root strawberries that were delivered a few days ago. @MereDintofPandiculation thanks for your advice the other day. I followed the instructions and left them to soak for a few days but they are looking very dead and crispy. A couple of green leaves but that's it. They are currently in the greenhouse. If I put a pic here would you mind saying if they look normal or if I really have been send dead plants?

greenacrylicpaint · 11/04/2023 13:53

sunflowers should be able to go out unless it gets frosty at night.

any idea of the variety? my dc brought one home one day that grew to almost 3 meters in a builder's bucket.
they used seeds from bird feed.

slugs and snails love them, but once they get going they are very robust.

greenacrylicpaint · 11/04/2023 14:06

bare root plants are scary, often they look like dead sticks. hang in there.
as long as the roots are nicely dark & damp (aka in soil) they should get going soon.

Decafflatteplease · 11/04/2023 14:34

Here are the strawberries. Ignore the ones in the red pot and the ones very bottom left they are last year's. All othe roots are bare root ones received at weekend and planted today

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MereDintofPandiculation · 11/04/2023 17:29

@Decafflatteplease By all means stick a photo up. If they've got green leaves, especially if the leaves are turgid not floppy, they're probably alive. And they should start moving very quickly now

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AlisonDonut · 11/04/2023 17:33

Those strawbs are fine.

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