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The Vegetable Patch

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MereDintofPandiculation · 16/12/2021 09:14

Now bookbook has sadly left us, and stirred into action by @DobbleDobble, I think it’s time to start a general thread for those of us who try to grow edible produce, fruit, veg, herbs, to share successes, failures, questions and answers

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DobbleDobble · 20/12/2021 08:55

I’m gonna treat myself to a visit to a nursery near by after Xmas

Volterra · 20/12/2021 09:03

I’d like to join please. Not quite sure how I am going to grow as have given up my allotment and am preparing the garden to put house on the market next year.

I have just got a blow away greenhouse and have some autopots so I guess it will be what I can grow in those plus bits in amongst the flowers. Purple and yellow beans up the garden arch maybe.

moonlight1705 · 20/12/2021 09:20

I am going to admit defeat with carrots. We have very heavy clay soil that someone in years past dumped a lot of old cobbles and stones into so now it's solid clay around stones. Carrots do not like this in the slightest!!

Big wins of this year were raspberries, rhubarb, artichokes and leeks. Think u might have to try the kalettes that people are mentioning and red cabbage this year.

We've got 12 raised beds but they are really badly made and falling apart. We're getting them all redone in March so cannot plant anything until after the work has been done. Will have to just get growing in the greenhouse instead.

SunflowersInTheShade · 20/12/2021 09:43

I do carrots in an old recycle bin - the little box kinds not the big drum.
Empty a couple of bags of compost, scatter the seeds, water when it looks dry and voila.... fail safe. It's my go-to crop for the DC.

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/12/2021 21:28

@Volterra Having planted so many trees that my garden-is now completely shaded, I have to grow all my veg in pots. Can’t grow the quantities I want, beans are an occasional treat rather than a freezer full, for example. I struggle with root crops, but beans, peas and leaf crops do ok.

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Volterra · 20/12/2021 23:01

That’s very encouraging to hear Mere. I think i’ll be happy if I have some tomatoes amd cucumbers- just so I have something. Hopefully in 2023 i’ll have a new garden .

Shedmistress · 20/12/2021 23:10

@tentative3

I'm a very very novice gardener but will be trying to grow some things next year. We have a cooking apple tree already, not sure if it needs pruning over winter. I planted two more apple trees, a blackcurrant and a redcurrant earlier this year and have just bought two cherries, some rasps and strawbs, a logan berry, gooseberry and some herbs which I need to either get in asap given the forecast or wait until the weather breaks again.

I'd like to grow some veg - tomatoes and chillies we've done indoors on windowsills before so more of them, leeks, carrots, onion, garlic, potatoes etc

My recommendation for pruning cooking apples, yes to prune off dead, diseased or damaged. Yes to crossing branches. No to the rest unless you know the variety as Bramleys, which are the most common cooker, are tip bearing and if you prune it, you won't get fruit. And if that was confusing, don't touch it at all.

Happy to join in, we've just moved to France, got a very large garden and we've spent the last 7 weeks since getting here putting in all the raised beds and shifting soil, pruning and planning; and today bought a new mower to use to make all the lovely compost.

I've already got onion sets in, spinach and kale germinated and a patch covered in cardboard for my polytunnel area.

Phatsia · 21/12/2021 15:07

Hi all, Im in!
Got a small veg patch with a few raised beds in my front garden. Currently occupied with not much other than mizuna, swiss chard and some sad looking lettuces I never got round to picking!
Currently entertaining the idea of sorting the seed stash and working out which varieties Im going to be trying or repeating next year, and trying to remember the things that worked/didn't work well.
Thanks for starting this thread!

Rollercoaster1920 · 21/12/2021 15:23

Anyone planting or sowing anything now? I think I left stuff too late last year but it's not even proper winter yet!

Shedmistress · 21/12/2021 15:46

It is the winter solstice today, and a root day so you can sow onions if you have somewhere that they can sit until they go out in Feb.

You could probably try beetroot and radish as well, again if you have somewhere for them to be until they can go outside, they should be ok under fleece by the start of March.

PraiseBee · 21/12/2021 15:50

We've just moved into our first own home. The back garden is small and south facing. The front is larger and North facing. Do you think I can get away with putting a compost bin in the front garden or will it be smelly and attract flies?

Shedmistress · 21/12/2021 16:05

If it is smelly then you need more browns.

That is shredded paper or card. I always cover each layer of veg scraps or garden waste with shredded paper.

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 21/12/2021 18:11

I got so sick and tired of pigeons, caterpillars and other pests destroying my vegetables that I built a cage to go over the top of the cabbage bed and covered it with horticultural fleece. Rain goes through the fleece, so you don't need to lift it to water underneath like you do with glass cloches.

Then my promising crops of peas, carrots and onions were all ruined by horrible maggoty things, so I now keep them covered with fleece too. The climate under the fleece seems to give them a boost early in the year, when the nights are still cold. It doesn't look very pretty, but neither do peas, onions and carrots that have maggots tunnelling through them.

On the subject of foul maggoty creatures, I've given up on blackberries and raspberries because the raspberry beetles are legion in this part of the country. I was told that they lay eggs on the fertilised flowers, which hatch in time for the maggots feast inside the developing fruit, and then they drop off and pupate in the soil around the base of the plants, climbing up the next year to lay their eggs in the flowers and continue their disgusting life cycle.

A bowl of raspberries with tiny transparent maggots squirming around is not going to temp anyone to eat more fresh fruit. I've heard that some people make jam with them, claiming that the maggots are made from fruit too, so don't count, but I don't fancy it. Or that you can grow each individual cane in a bucket of soil, and change the soil every year, so that any beetle chrysalises are got rid of, but then you'd have to be forever watering those buckets, it seems like a lot of hard work.

To anyone else who has a problem with raspberry beetles ruining their raspberry and blackberry crops, I heartily recommend growing Japanese wineberries instead. They are like tiny raspberries, little jewels, that taste lovely and look very pretty used as decorations. The best thing about them is that they thwart the attack of the raspberry beetles by hiding their fertilised flowers inside a closed calyx, so the beetles can't get at them to lay their eggs. I started out with one vine, and discovered that tips of the vine put out roots when they were allowed to touch the earth. So I now have 10 meters of vines trained on wires against the north east facing garden fence. The calyxes don't open until the berries are ready to ripen, and the vines fruit for at least 6-8 weeks every summer, producing more fruit than I have space for in the freezer. I bought a dehydrator last year, thinking I'd turn them into little dried snacks, but they took much longer than any other fruit (including big juicy things like pineapple and mango slices), I think they have some kind of sticky, waxy coating that isn't obvious until you try to dry them. So next year I'm going to moosh them in the liquidiser and try to make fruit leather instead.

Shedmistress · 21/12/2021 18:14

That reminds me, I need to sow a load of Japanese Wineberry seeds I saved from my old plant, thank you 😀

I agree they are vastly superior in so many ways.

takeabrolly · 21/12/2021 18:22

I'm in! 2022 will be my first veg growing year so I'll be watching with interest because I have no idea

KellyABC · 21/12/2021 18:29

I'm in too!

Sevensilverrings · 21/12/2021 18:55

I’d like to join too!
We finally got around to putting in raised beds last year (lock down project)! I’ve had a small plot on and off for years, but this is the first time I’ve gone at it properly.
We had a (predictable) wireworm problem (because it was pasture previously). Nematodes seem to have sorted it though. Might try the slug ones next year. I need to protect brassica better next year, and work out why my rasps didn’t fruit at all!
Looking forward to getting the cover on the new poly tunnel for the start of growing season….maybe my conservatory will be spared this year!

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/12/2021 09:14

Raspberry maggots - when I was a child, it was normal to soak the raspberries in a bowl of water (possibly salted). All the maggots float to the top and can be tipped away.

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Shedmistress · 22/12/2021 09:48

My advice for slug nematodes, is to order them a day or two before heavy rains are forecast. When they arrive, get out there and water everywhere whilst the ground is still wet. In between rain showers is best. Moisture is key to them being able to move through the soil and the slugs come out when the soil is more moist.

We had a terrible slug problem in our back garden, and doing this just once, cut the numbers so significantly that the neighbours started asking me how I'd done it. I didn't have to do it again until a year later. But the numbers of slugs was visibly reduced for years.

moonlight1705 · 22/12/2021 10:16

We got raspberry maggots for the first time this year. With the work then I'm thinking of shifting the raspberries anyway to a new patch...do you think that will help with the getting rid of maggot eggs?

Sevensilverrings · 22/12/2021 11:46

Shedmistress, that’s great advice. Fills me with hope too!! Will definitely try slug nematodes this year!

DobbleDobble · 27/12/2021 20:59

I’ve just ordered some bare root climbing roses for my garden , 2 months after looking it all up! I’m a great procrastinator.
Going to buy my Polytunnel at the end of this week, ready to start planting seeds at end of Jan /feb.

I’d have loved to got on the allotment and painted the shed but 3 days of rain and 3 more forecast has put an end to that idea :-(

TiddleTaddleTat · 27/12/2021 21:05

I’m in!
Really need to put any spare money towards some evergreen shrubs for pots to pretty up the concrete patio parts of the garden and hide from neighbours.
Am also browsing the chiltern seed catalogue (love them!) and planning what to sow this year. Have a couple of raised beds and lots of large pots dotted around .
Successes have been tomatoes (outdoor girl is my favourite variety and best for this climate), broad beans (for the flowers), runner beans (ditto) , mizuna, lettuce and multicoloured beetroot. Also had about a ton of strawberries this year, blueberries and both summer and autumn raspberries.

Dottydoodoo · 27/12/2021 21:40

Hello 👋 please can I join?

DH bought me a little greenhouse (actually I think more a cold frame it won’t be heated) for Christmas as I would really like to try and grow some of our own veg. I am so excited to get started, although I am a complete beginner and have very little clue about what I am doing!

If anybody has some tips for a complete beginner I would be very grateful, or does anyone have any book recommendations for starting out? I was trying to look up veg growing calendars earlier but there are so many and each one seemed slightly different, I don’t know where to start!

Thank you

MereDintofPandiculation · 28/12/2021 09:36

dotty main tip is not to sow too much of anything. Two things can happen when you sow seeds, either none of them germinate or they all do. Not sowing them all means you have spares if needed, and you don’t find yourself trying to find room for 57 tomato plants because you couldn’t bear to throw some of them away. Most seeds will last till the following year.

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