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Allotment/Veg Patch - Thread 7 - The Harvesters Arms

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bookbook · 30/09/2016 20:36

Well, it's been an interesting summer, to say the least.
We are now heading into the season of mists and mellow fruitfulness :)
Everyone welcome to join in and ask for advice , share their woes and just enjoy growing!
previous thread here

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bookbook · 31/12/2016 14:11

Afternoon!
welcome littlecupcake ! fire away with questions - we are a collective of knowledge , so hopefully we can all help :)
Seeds - 1 packet of each thing should be plenty for a half plot, and that sounds like a good deal there.
Seed potatoes are not due for about another 4-6 weeks, thats probably why you haven't seen them yet - 1 net of 2.5kg will normally plant out 1 row on an average plot. (widthwise for me - about 7.5 metres)
Most of my seed trays get picked up here and there , so all different, but Wilkos do a good basic gardening range at reasonable prices.
I don't heat my greenhouse, so I shall pass on that :)
I have also direct sown my broad beans ( under a fleece tunnel in November) , but I will be sowing some in pots in about 2 weeks time, and also direct sowing in March. That allows for some failures due to weather and pests !

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littlecupcake · 31/12/2016 14:28

Ahhh, thank you Bookbook, that's so helpful. Seeds sound like a good deal so I'll have a good look next time I'm in there.

Great tip re wilko, I wouldn't have thought to look in there! Had a quick mooch on eBay but it's not really cheaper by the time you add postage!

I'll make a note to look out for seed potatoes early February, and might get a couple of packs. Would they be like the baby new potatoes?

Staggered planting sounds like the way forward, good plan! I'm so excited, I just want to crack on with it now! Fingers crossed for some successes because I need all the encouragement I can get!

Thank you again.

Fieldsandgrasses · 31/12/2016 16:51

Thanks, all. It's going to be interesting...

nightshade1 · 31/12/2016 20:16

I use premier seeds off ebay - always a good range, cheap and always had good germination rates. they do free post if ordering over 5 packs and usually a % off if ordering 10+ (I got 20% off and free post the other day)

seed potatoes it depends what sort you want 2kg does roughly 7m for me, (or 2 rows in my 3.5m beds) I'm only planting salad potatoes this year as we don't have space to store lots and I want the space for other things (ive gone for charlotte variety as they always do well)

2017 is the year we finally get the allotment fully under control and working for us, moving beds and having a complete re-jig over the next few weeks.

shovetheholly · 01/01/2017 08:24

Happy new year everyone! I am still full from my NYE roast dinner last night, in which I made plentiful use of my allotment crops! I still have romanesco caulis coming, to my surprise. And my beetroots have stood really well, still harvesting those too (I did about a million of them).

Bah, sorry about your leeks book. It's so frustrating when a variety let's you down like that. At least you have plenty of other lovely things to eat from your plot!

Little cupcake- Poundland and Aldi do a surprisingly decent range of seeds come spring. Look out for AGM varieties to start off with, as those are often reliable, disease resistant and decent tasting. (It can be disheartening in your first year if you grow temperamental things that don't work). For seed trays, I make quite heavy use of those plastic trays mushrooms come in, then transplant into pots. I just poke some holes in the bottom for drainage with an awl. Next year, maybe check out whether there is an allotment society you can join, as they often get King's seeds at rock bottom prices (90p a packet kind of thing).

Broad beans: don't worry. As book says, you can overwinter these but you can also sow in the spring. The difference isn't much when it comes to the date the crop matures and it can be less risky (though this depends on the weather).

bookbook · 01/01/2017 08:47

Morning!
Happy New Year - hoping for a good growing and harvesting 2017 :)
welcome nightshade1 ( I don't think I have seen you post before?)
shove - I have loads of my favourite 'Blue Solaise' left luckily - I planted extra this year . I am envious of you having caulis left - I am waiting for my Aalsmeers now, a way off !
Fieldsandgrasses - interesting definitely!
littlecupcake - seed potatoes don't look much different to ordinary ones, but usually they are bagged into nets . Just make sure you get the type you want. There are basically 3
1 Earlies ( new potatoes)
2 Second earlies
3 Maincrop
you plant them all at the same time, they just take longer in the ground to mature to harvesting. Loads of varieties to choose from , everyone has their favourite :)
well, it has been raining over night, but I have promised myself a trip to the plot today, it may just have to be later rather than sooner .

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ChuckSnowballs · 01/01/2017 09:34

Happy New Growing Year all.

Well, a turn up is that I found two boxes of potatoes hidden behind the mower in the allotment shed this week. Whoop whoop. So will be having some of them for roasties later today.

Have sown leeks, onions, chillis, peppers and going to do some sweet peas today. I have decided to try and do all my sowing and growing on the relevant Moon day this year, and have coloured my bullet journal in so that the days are marked with the relevant colour for each crop type. i have in the past dabbled with and trialled sowing and growing by the moon, and got a 35% increase in yields in my garlic trial so will try to stick to it this year now that I am only growing for me. [See pic of Bullet Journal diary]. Today is a flower day so sweet peas are good. For reference, my colours are yellow for flower, green for leaf, orange for root, red for fruit.

It is so manky out there today though that I will be sowing them onto damp kitchen roll, and put into sandwich bags in the airing cupboard. And then I will put into Root Trainers once they have cracked open. I will be doing just 4 of each variety for the early start, and will do another 4 in Feb and another 4 in March. This should keep a good supply going through the summer. I bought some gorgeous blue ones [Blue Velvet] , plus some giant ones [Early Mammoth] and some Night and Day which are white and burgundy mixed for this year. And of course Cupani which I originally got from a fallen seed pod at Ryton Organic Gardens and have saved from each year.

Next door's quince hedge was in flower yesterday. Shock. I am hoping that this colder weather holds the flowers back as the last thing we want is another bad year for fruit.

We have a Grape in my courtyard and a Chocolate Vine Akebia Quinata which we put in to fill some space but it has drowned out the grape in the last couple of years, but the Akebia has never flowered so it is on it's last chance this year. The grape hasn't cropped since we put the Akebia in, which would be fine if we got some flowers from it. So annoying.

My Lemon Eucalyptus that I found at the local wood festival has survived those frosts, so if we get snow and it still survives I should be able to plant it out - it is currently in a pot and I really would like it in the ground. A few leaves have shrivelled but it still looks healthy.

My other Eucalyptus, which is a Snow Gum which will have that wonderful white and grey peely bark, and was 3 inches tall 18 months ago, is now pushing 7 foot tall, and will be coppiced next May. As in 2018. I need to leave it for another year to fully establish before I coppice it. We bought it for firewood supply as eucalyptus is my favourite wood to burn. I am so chuffed it has grown so well and fully expect another 7 ft on it this year.

Still plenty to do though - raspberries to move, gooseberry to prune, blueberries to dig up and move to a space with some ericaceous compost dug in [I found a ripped bag of it on offer for £1 so snapped it up], plants to move to new homes, several quinces to prune; just loads more maintenance to spruce it all up for the coming season.

So hope everyone is well, and here's to a fruitful 2017

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elephantoverthehill · 01/01/2017 17:30

Happy New Year to all. I'm back from my mum's and managed to pop into the plot to show DS1. Unfortunately my, now slightly more upright shed, seems to have taken a battering from the winds. Today was a complete washout. Never mind half term will soon be here and the evenings will start to get lighter. Thanks for the suggestions about seed sellers.

bookbook · 02/01/2017 09:01

Morning!
Thats very interesting about moon days Chuck - may have to do a little bit of experimenting myself!. The Akebia looks lovely - it obviously just likes where you put it.
I was wavering about sowing sweet peas , but I am going to be away soon for 3 weeks, so will do them when I get back. Why have I not thought to do repeat sowing of sweet peas - I do it for most of my veg......
elephant - was it listing to port? - maybe there has been a NYE party down at your site ? Grin
well, it rained on and off until early afternoon yesterday, so I gave up on the idea of going to the plot. Frosty here this morning, so this afternoon beckons for a minimum of going to pick stuff.

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bookbook · 02/01/2017 16:53

Ended up having too many other things doing today, so no plot - using my crown prince squash for tea ( what hardship) .
Just wanted to put on this pic,

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shovetheholly · 04/01/2017 07:59

chuck - I am intrigued by this moon-growing thing and would love to hear about how you get on! I am in awe of your journal days - your organisation puts mine to shame! I don't think I'd ever be able to stick to a plan like that!

I sowed some sweet peas before Christmas - they germinated well, but are leggy. Should I pinch them out and hope they bush up? I'm going to put another lot on this week I think.

Trethew · 04/01/2017 09:09

Never tried it before but wondering about planting first earlies now in spud bags in a cold greenhouse. Anyone else tried this?

One local garden centre sells seed potatoes loose by weight so you can buy exactly what you want

shovetheholly · 04/01/2017 09:35

trethew - I have heard of people doing that from mid/late February in a cold greenhouse in the south, but now is pretty early, right?

I guess it's a calculated risk, and it depends a lot where you are! If you're land-locked and prone to frosts and we get 2 weeks of sub-zero snow in February, it might not work; if you're coastal and relatively unlikely to get frost and we get mildness from here on out, it might be worth it...?

bookbook · 04/01/2017 10:41

Morning!
I have been a bit lax getting to the plot, but it is now factored in for after lunch. It's a lovely day thank goodness :)
Shove - it surely cannot hurt to pinch out sweet peas, especially if you are going to sow more!
Trethew - welcome to the veg plot :) I have only tried growing Christmas new potatoes in the greenhouse, and they did not fare particularly well. I suspect more due to me not appreciating quite how much water they need, and putting too many in one container ( I put 4 in a pretty big square planter, and maybe should have done 2 or 3 ) . I got lovely tasting little marbles! The problem with this time of year, is that though technically the days are getting longer, I have found that January , and particularly February are actually the coldest months of the year. I suspect you may need some extra protection for the potatoes in a cold greenhouse -but nothing ventured!

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bookbook · 04/01/2017 15:22

Afternoon!
DH decided it was a good day to go and do some heavy duty work. So we have done a fair bit of moving pavers, levelling, putting down weed membrane and re-laying them. It's not finished , - we still have another 6 to lay in front of the water butt , but it is looking so much better. It means we can put up some much better trellis for the loganberry too, so around the shed is starting to look much tidier..
I also went and picked sprouting broccoli, sprouts and dug up some of those rubbishy leeks .
All in all, a good couple of hours work !

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ChuckSnowballs · 04/01/2017 17:39

Shove - yes pinch them out.

My first seedlings are up - my HSL beetroots. yay.

timtam23 · 04/01/2017 18:11

Hello all. Happy New Year. Apologies I haven't caught up with the post-Christmas posts yet. Just wanted to share my seeds bargain from today with you all. It was in the local charity shop, must have been an unwanted Christmas present. Two packs of very interesting-looking seeds, the pots/peat blocks are next to useless but I have plenty of seed trays to use. Very excited about the mini cucumbers, purple Brussels sprouts and the purple spring onions! And all of the vegetables seem ok for growing outside (I don't have a greenhouse)

Allotment/Veg Patch - Thread 7 - The Harvesters Arms
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timtam23 · 04/01/2017 18:12

I forgot to say each box was £1.50 so it was a very good price for the seeds alone Smile

bookbook · 04/01/2017 21:33

That looks like an amazing find timtam - it's great when you do :)
I grew purple sprouts about 3-4 years ago. They were bought as plugs when I had a desperate rabbit problem ,(they decimated my plants twice !) , and had to replant much later in the season than I would like. I didn't get a very big/good crop due to that, and to be honest, I cannot remember what they tasted like . Let us know :)

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Lua · 04/01/2017 22:27

I have pushed my early potatos by chitting them in january and putting them in bags in late feb covered with fleece outside the house. I figured, if I hear about a hard frost I could pull them into the garage. I also put some potatoes in bags inside a greenhouse in the very begining of march, figuring they might grow a bit bigger faster by having the extra warmth until the tomatoes needed the space (then I moved the bags out). I did get potatoes quite early, but to be honest it was a warm spring, so it probably wasn't worth it from that perspective. But it was nive to get my kitchen window sill back earlier!

Lua · 04/01/2017 22:28

Chuck - are your beet seedlings outside ?!?!

shovetheholly · 05/01/2017 07:47

timtam - BARGAIN! That's brilliant!

Impressed that you have beetroot on already chuck. Which variety are you growing?

I have just started off some mushrooms! My lovely aunt got me a growing kit for Christmas, which is basically a cardboard box with a plastic bag inside it containing a load of coffee grounds and some white stuff. You cut open the bag, hydrate it underwater overnight, then mist it each day, and apparently it just grows from there. It's nice to have something 'on' this early.

I've also been organising my seeds. I have some Cirsium Rivulare ??atropurpureum (ornamental thistle) seeds given to me by a friend last autumn, but I'm finding conflicting advice online, with some people saying the plant is sterile and others saying it self-seeds. I'm guessing that there might be both sterile and non-sterile varieties??? Not sure which one I have been given!!

shovetheholly · 05/01/2017 07:48

Oh and book - it's GREAT you managed to get the heavy work done! You've done so much this winter, your plot must be looking amazing.

ChuckSnowballs · 05/01/2017 08:56

Chuck - are your beet seedlings outside

No - but will be going out there soon. They are in the kitchen at the moment. These ones are Avon Early, which is why I sowed them, well, early! To get an early crop out of them.

I also have leek seedlings up, they are outside in the greenhouse. From fresh seeds harvested in October. These are Sim Segur.

I will also use both varieties as seed guardian seeds so will not harvest them all, will leave a few of the best ones in and collect the seeds from them in 2018.

Cedar03 · 05/01/2017 09:05

Happy New Year everyone! Another frosty day here today - hooray for killing slugs and helping with garlic, boo for plants that don't really like the cold!

Not much to report here. Managed to get over to the allotment a couple of times over Christmas. A bit more clearing and a bit more digging. Still a way to go. Cleared a lot of overgrown grass round some of the raspberries and when I'd finished it didn't look like I'd done anything. But we'll get there eventually.

My garlic is up. I, as usual, completely forgot to count how many cloves I put in - I must try and remember to do that next year. So I've no idea whether they're all up or not.

I won't be getting my seed potatoes until February. I need to decide where everything is going to go in the plot, allowing for the fact that we have a bit more space but also the potatoes were blighted last year. Am interested in the sowing with the moon but not sure whether it will work practically for me. However, I might try and give it a go.

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