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Thread 30 Covid Cohort, Mad March Hareing Towards Exams

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OrangeCinnamonCroissant · 13/03/2022 09:12

This is a thread for supporting all young people post GCSEs 2020, regardless of their educational setting. It is respectfully requested that all are supportive and helpful to each other. If you want to start a debate, e.g state vs private, please don't within this thread. Please also be sensitive when responding to threads about grades.

Some of us have been here since first thread back in yr10, some will be new. Everyone has been friendly and helpful in the past. Everyone is welcome. It is hoped this will continue.

Our DS/DD may go down various paths (such as employment, apprenticeships, higher ed) We have decided for anyone interested they will most likely find us within the Further Ed board.

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I've made this one a little bit earlier as things are so busy, at home and on thread, so please feel free to use up previous thread first Grin

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JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 02/04/2022 20:11

Hello all! I see lots of us have firmed Notts and getting ready for Monday. Really disappointing to see how much of the en-suite rooms are completely booked up already by existing and deferred students, seems a little unfair to me but there we go.

Anyone have any idea HOW you book the accommodation? Is it a case of just writing down the preferences on one form or do you have to click on each hall individually and select the accommodation type on there? I’m getting a little sweaty. 😂

singingstones · 02/04/2022 20:16

Ooh, how can you tell what's already booked, Just?

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 02/04/2022 20:18

It’s says on the accommodation part where you can look at the room types but DS had emailed the accommodation people off his own back (😮😮😮) and they told him the en-suite + rooms were pretty much all gone to deferred students and second years.

OrangeCinnamonCroissant · 02/04/2022 20:58

@mummabear74

Just picked up on the thread again as DD firming today but UCAS is down until 6pm tomorrow. She put down Portsmouth as her 5th choice and received an unconditional offer but has decided to firm for Southampton with Cardiff as insurance. With Southampton accommodation opening Monday she was keen to get UCAS sorted.

We keep getting an error on student finance when we're trying to upload our financial details. Has this affected anyone else? They've advised us to complete and post back a paper application but I'd much rather do it online.

We've had more success with her DSA application and waiting to hear back from them.

It's all becoming very real now. Not yet sure how we'll cover the accommodation costs. DD suffers with anxiety and needs an ensuite as her anxiety upsets her stomach so that's an extra too.

Snap ! @mummabear74 The cheapest Soton accommodation en-suite is Archers Rd (older accommodation, mixed reviews some say a bit grim / mould etc) the next is Wessex Lane which Dd is going for. She has anxiety and tummy issues too.
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NCTDN · 02/04/2022 21:51

Orange I have no social life so even though dd hasn't applied to soton I've just googled archers road. That accommodation looks palatial compared to Bristol!

OrangeCinnamonCroissant · 02/04/2022 22:25

@NCTDN

Orange I have no social life so even though dd hasn't applied to soton I've just googled archers road. That accommodation looks palatial compared to Bristol!
Smile i've never looked at Bristol's accommodation have heard is expensive though?
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Heifer · 02/04/2022 22:37

@JustHereWithMyPopcorn

Hello all! I see lots of us have firmed Notts and getting ready for Monday. Really disappointing to see how much of the en-suite rooms are completely booked up already by existing and deferred students, seems a little unfair to me but there we go.

Anyone have any idea HOW you book the accommodation? Is it a case of just writing down the preferences on one form or do you have to click on each hall individually and select the accommodation type on there? I’m getting a little sweaty. 😂

Hi @JustHereWithMyPopcorn - I know exactly what you mean re not knowing what to expect - I like to know beforehand what I will need to do! I would think that there will be a list and we perhaps click the ones DD/DS want? I say I because it will be me doing it as DD will be off to school. I find it odd that we don't yet know the time, and what exactly to do. At least they have now said it's at least 3. Hopefully will a lot easier on the day and all will go well.. Got to admit, apparently it crashed last year and they have already had problems this week with people trying to sign up so it's not looking good...
Piggywaspushed · 03/04/2022 06:54

York was definitely better for accommodation booking than Birmingham - you got a whole list , with pictures, of options ,and the prices were there too. You could pick and shuffle about til you were happy. Birmingham give you six options with drop down menus. You can't change this without deleting choices if you change your mind about order and - I think naughtily- the prices aren't on display anywhere . This includes an en suite option at Tennis Courts which isn't mentioned anywhere on their accommodation pages. But at least it isn't first come first served I guess! I still have flashbacks to the day NTU opened is accommodation. Loads of sixth formers, or their parents , took days off for that one! It's the reason DS1 rejected NTU in the end as by the time we managed to get on , the accommodation had all gone.

Oblomov22 · 03/04/2022 07:43

Ds1 now has an account for Notts accommodation. We are ready and waiting.
I'm listening to you lot eg Heifer & Popcorn and am generally unimpressed with general lack of info re how to do it, and with new info that many en-suites already gone.
Am expecting a HMRC Tax Return collapse of website / fiasco.

OrangeCinnamonCroissant · 03/04/2022 08:21

Sorry this article is behind a payroll but I found it very interesting.

I managed to read it by pretending to sign up via facebook but not adding payment deets.

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/jobs-will-pay-highest-salaries-2040/

I'm quite frankly shocked that AI is predicted to write a novel in 20 years or so.

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Heifer · 03/04/2022 08:25

@Oblomov22 - I know what you mean. I had a quick look and it's mainly the ensuite + and flats that have gone from a few building on Univeristy Park (catered) so maybe it's not that bad.

Where is your DS asking for?

We have approx 10 hours of driving today (just DH & me).Got to admit we should have left 20 mins ago and DH still in bed and I'm not dressed... DD went out last night and txt me at 2.00am to ask to be let in so I got out of bed but she wasn't there - still at party - she meant later as friend had gone home with her keys. She then text at 2.40 to tell me she was waiting for a taxi and then again at 3.00 saying she was on her way - so basically woke me up 3 times. I am knackered but at least I can sleep in the car - I'm very likely to get a migraine when I feel like this which I could do without!. Not happy with DD and I look forward to waking her up in a bit when we leave to say goodbye :-)

Fingers crossed accommodation doesn't open until 8.00am tomorrow and that it works out well for everyone wanting it.

@Piggywaspushed - when did you book York? We haven't looked at that yet as it's not guarenteed for Insurance, but I guess we should! Did you have to pay a deposit?

Heifer · 03/04/2022 08:27

@OrangeCinnamonCroissant - I can't see a sign in with fb option - could you copy and paste the article?

Piggywaspushed · 03/04/2022 08:30

Heifer, deposit only required if you are firm. Best to do it as it is all done by date of application.

OrangeCinnamonCroissant · 03/04/2022 08:34

“It’s not which jobs will be automated, but when they will be automated: every part of the economy will be affected,” says Badminton, whose book on the subject, Facing Our Futures, will be published by Bloomsbury later this year.

“Machines are predicted to be better than us at translating languages by 2024; writing high-school essays by 2026; driving a truck by 2027; working in retail by 2031; writing a bestselling book by 2049; and performing surgery by 2053. In fact, all human jobs will be automated within the next 120 years,” says Badminton.

Some jobs may not exist at all in the future: taxi drivers are likely to be replaced by self-driving cars; cashiers and retail staff will largely be replaced by machines that will let you pay for items yourself (such shops already exist). Deliveries might be done by drones, and much of telemarketing and customer service will be done by ­artificial intelligence (AI).

And while accountancy, construction, law and medicine will still exist, they will look very different. “For example, right now we are in the early stages of fully-automated surgery,” says Badminton. “So you could say that at some point in the future, you would roll up at a hospital, you go in, get prepped – maybe there are some humans to help out in the prep – but no human touches you in surgery, and ultimately you heal faster and the machine operation can tap into the knowledge of all the surgeons in the world – that’s the trajectory we are heading towards.”

What is more, AI has proved to be more effective than human doctors in terms of diagnosing certain conditions. That, of course, has huge implications for human doctors. Similar advances are being made in dentistry, where robots are already doing routine jobs better than humans can do them.

In accountancy, work that used to be done by humans is now being performed by computers; while in law, AI will be able to read through vast swathes of research that previously a recent graduate would have had to plough through. A study by the multi­national professional services network Deloitte concluded that 100,000 legal roles will be automated by 2036.

But amid all the disappearing jobs there is good news. “While there will be a shift towards automation, I think we’ll be a world of the human and machine working together in symbiosis,” says Badminton. “We will be freed from repetitive work to do more creative things together. I call this new world the ‘wisdom economy’.”

He explains: “AI will not be good at creative problem solving, empathetic reasoning, philosophical debate and the human group dynamics of collaborating for a very long time. Deep human connection, empathy, curiosity – very human things – will be vital. Our human inquiry is still going to steer the ship.”

Carolyn Parry, founder of career coaching and training company Career Alchemy and president of professional body the Career Development Institute, agrees. “As AI increases, the parts [of us] that make us human – our empathy, creativity and problem-solving ability – are going to be more important than ever,” she says.

Parry adds that our resilience and adaptability will also be vital as the rate of change in the world will keep increasing. Most importantly, she believes, parents and grandparents should not assume that what worked for them will work for their children – quite the opposite.

“What parents can help their kids with is to get them to think originally – and I’m not just talking about drawing and design here, I’m talking about original thinking. New developments will come at the intersection of so many different disciplines. So if you think about a Venn diagram, you take three different disciplines and you overlap them – that’s where the opportunity is. This is where the cure for cancer will come from.

Anything related to Stem [science, technology, engineering and mathematics] is good – if it interests them. But if it doesn’t, don’t push your youngster down a route they don’t want to follow. It’s a recipe for a disastrous start in life.”

Jobs of the future
Human-centred Designers and Ethicists
Salary: £100k+ (Estimated 2040 salary, taking inflation into consideration)

Today they would be: Systems designers, software engineers, professors of ethics, psychologists, philosophers

Education needed: Anything from computer science, philosophy, psychology and design and ethics. “There are a lot of people doing master’s degrees and PhDs in this field today,” Badminton observes.

When we use technology such as Facebook or Twitter today, we do so by agreeing to their terms and conditions. In exchange for us being able to communicate and access information, we hand over lots of our data. If we post pictures of our children, Facebook owns those picture. If we share details of our health, it owns that information, too. In the future, that will change, according to Badminton.

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OrangeCinnamonCroissant · 03/04/2022 08:34

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OrangeCinnamonCroissant · 03/04/2022 08:46

Jobs of the future
Human-centred Designers and Ethicists
Salary: £100k+ (Estimated 2040 salary, taking inflation into consideration)

Today they would be: Systems designers, software engineers, professors of ethics, psychologists, philosophers

Education needed: Anything from computer science, philosophy, psychology and design and ethics. “There are a lot of people doing master’s degrees and PhDs in this field today,” Badminton observes.

When we use technology such as Facebook or Twitter today, we do so by agreeing to their terms and conditions. In exchange for us being able to communicate and access information, we hand over lots of our data. If we post pictures of our children, Facebook owns those picture. If we share details of our health, it owns that information, too. In the future, that will change, according to Badminton.

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Technology will be designed so that the human using it will be the priority, not the company. “A human-centred design turns the tables on everything. It says, ‘Let’s put the rights of the person using the system ahead of the comp­any’s rights; let’s work out ethically how we can work with them,’” says Badminton. “It asks, ‘What’s going to be right and fair for the human individual?’ ”

Twitter is already operating this way, but many more qualified individuals will be required to roll out the approach across other tech-based businesses.

Data Scientists and Brokers
Salary: £75k+

Today they would be: Software developers, data and business analysts, database administrators, AI trainers and engineers

Education needed: Computer science, data analytics, psychology, statistics, economics, data science

“By 2040, data will be created at a rate of more than 200 petabytes per year [a petabyte is 1,000 trillion units of text or information], with more than 8,000 digital data interactions per person every day – one every 10 seconds or so,” says Badminton.

Data Scientists and Brokers future of work
People who sell your data for you will be members of a new ­profession: data brokers
“Every company will need teams of highly-trained data scientists to help them explore opportunities in the data they have and empower their employees and customers. There is an idea called ‘data dignity’, which means that you have the right to own the data you produce. So every time you go on Facebook, for example, you will own the data you produce. You have the right to keep that private or to sell it to people that can use it – so you have your own personal data economy that can earn you money.” People who sell your data for you will be members of a new ­profession: data brokers.

Robot therapists
Salary: £250k+

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Today they would be: Psychologists

Education needed: Psychology with other disciplines, such as computing, neurolinguistics, social work and ethicstics

You may have heard of the phrase “the internet of things”, which refers to the idea that objects can be connected over the web, letting them talk to us and each other. The popular example is the smart fridge, which would be able to text you and let you know that there was no milk left, or that that it past its use-by date.

Or it might be that your alarm clock will talk to your toaster, so that your toast is done when you get into the kitchen. It might also be connected to other toasters to get information about how much other toasters are being used and when.

Robot therapists jobs of the future
Problem-solvers: tech-savvy teens will work on robotics projects
But what if you don’t use your toaster any more? How will your toaster feel about that? And yes, your toaster will have feelings.

“Machine learning, smart devices and robotics will be so prevalent in society that these will become ­sentient and start to feel like we do,” says Badminton.

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“Professional psychologists will ­upskill to understand the nuances of artificial intelligence and how machines learn. Our toasters may need help – and we will be there for them.”

Robot translators
Salary: £50k

Today they would be: Human linguists and translators

Education needed: Languages, linguistics

“I spoke to a Year 13 student this week and he wants to be a linguist,” says futurist Matthew Griffin, founder of global futures think tank the 311 Institute. “But while once upon a time he might translate Chinese or Italian, now he could translate AI.”

Some believe that we should teach artificial-intelligence programming in schools the same way we teach French: just as French is the language of French people, programming is the language of computers.

According to Griffin, Google and Facebook recently discovered that AI bots, originally designed to talk to each other in English, had actually invented their own languages. “Artificial-intelligence translators will be people who are skilled in trying to understand the different languages that AI has created for itself and by itself.”

Food Engineers
Salary: £75k

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Today they would be: Farmers

Education needed: Biochemistry and engineering

“Today, we have the ability to 3D print food,” says Matthew Griffin. “We also have the ability to grow different kinds of food in bioreactors – which is where you take a cell from an animal, put it into a bioreactor and literally end up with a pound of that meat. So a food engineer is a person who is able to engineer different foods at the molecular level.”

Metaverse Architects and world builders
Salary: £100k+

Today they would be: Architects, video-game designers, FX artists, visual artists, musicians and sound engineers, fashion designers, retail experts

Education needed: Computer design visual effects, com­puter programming, hardware design

Put on a virtual-reality (VR) headset now and it feels like you’re in another world. The “metaverse” is the idea that VR will become a normal part of our lives, like the internet or computer games.

future jobs work 2040
Tech-savvy teens will work on robotics projects
“We will live in a mixed-reality world, so I could wear normal-looking glasses and look around my world and it will be augmented with information about objects,” says Badminton. Facebook has spent billions on the concept, with Microsoft and Google investing, too.

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Instead of having business meetings via a Zoom call, by 2040 we may meet in VR spaces. “Virtual versions of ourselves will meet in virtual conference rooms, with virtual art and furniture,” says Badminton. “This virtual world will be built by huge teams.”

Activist Artists and Creators
Salary: £75k+

Today they would be: Artists, writers, TV programme-makers

Education needed: Art, music, choreography

Badminton predicts that by 2040, television as we know it will have ceased to exist. The current world, where people make entertainment and we watch it, will be replaced with more collaborative and interactive forms of TV, music, videos and art.

He also believes there will be a resurgence of live theatre and street performance. This will be about more than just entertainment: “It will bind together society, create purpose behind life and take on governments and big business alike.”

Local entrepreneurs
Salary: £50k+ to millions

Today they would be: Entrepreneurs

Education needed: Any

We are already seeing entrepreneurs selling services and products online from the UK with worldwide reach, using local and international freelancers to help build their businesses. In the future, millions more people will start their own business. “Some of it’s going to be online, some offline, some will be artisanal services that people want because they don’t want a robot to make them a sandwich,” says Badminton. “I could start a business in Somerset creating T-shirts and I could sell to a group in Bhutan.”

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Going forward, more and more of us will choose to start their own businesses CREDIT: Getty
Cybersecurity and Misinformation experts
Salary: £100k+

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Today they would be: Software developers, data and business analysts, database administrators, AI trainers and engineers, cybersecurity experts

Education needed: Computer science, information theory

We will need online policemen to respond to cyberattacks and ensure privacy, security and safety for all. We will also need people who will guard against misinformation. “There are currently troll farms that pump misinformation on to social-media platforms and we will need trained people to understand what is fake and how to stop it,” says Badminton. “These will be among the best-paid jobs in organisations in the late 2030s and throughout the 2040s.”

Healthcare Professionals and Biohackers
Salary: £75k to £1m+

Today they would be: Doctors, nurses, surgeons, physiotherapists, nutritionists

Education needed: Traditional medicine and an array of specialities, including nutrition and technology

Longevity seems likely to become a key goal for the ultra-wealthy, as the average age of those with more than £10 million in earnings may advance to about 130 years old. “There will be specialist hospitals with enthusiastic doctors, nurses, surgeons, and research and development looking at how everything from implantable tech to psychedelics and diet ensure a longer life for those who can afford it,” says Badminton.

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Biohacking is the practice of using implantable technologies, diet, supplements, medical procedures and stem-cell injections to extend human life decades beyond the current normal range. “In the future, if you are ultra-wealthy and want to live forever, we can make that happen,” says Badminton. “Biohackers will have qualifications that allow them to advise on diet, implants, technology, sleep, psychedelic therapy and so on. An ageing population also means there will be a big demand for carers and nurses.”

Will we still do traditional degrees?
Career coach Mark Anderson predicts the rise of apprenticeship degrees, where students undertake paid work alongside their studies, with their education paid for by their employers. Students may earn “micro-credentials” on shorter courses that contribute to their degree and many courses will mix online and face-to-face learning – a process widely adopted during the pandemic.

The jobs market of the future will continue to evolve, meaning that people will need to be reskilling and continuing to learn throughout their life.

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Anderson advises young people to look at the list of 17 world development goals published by the United Nations. “These are world problems that need to be solved – hunger, clean water, pollution, education,” he explains. “This will help you find an area you care about.”

Nikolas Badminton believes that in the future work will be purpose-driven and there will be no straightforward jobs for life – instead, people will work on different projects simultaneously. “We’ll be a society of generalists and people with multiple projects on the go,” he says. “Jobs might be seen as a ‘constellation of projects’.”

Which is why Badminton is hopeful for his own child. “In 2040, he will be 19. I am glad that he will be able to take advantage of all the automated services around him and not have to spend weekends flipping burgers.

“The fact that kids today can build a business on a phone, it’s incredible... If you have got the skills and work hard enough, you can achieve something pretty incredible.

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Piggywaspushed · 03/04/2022 08:56

Hmmmm... I do think people are obsessed with AI. It might be the future but the arts and culture are still needed for example.

And what's that rot about high school essays - we all know computers could do it! But the point is humans do them differently from each other, no robotic standards? Americans don't have exams really. So that may be why they perceive that as an 'industry'.

I must say I feel sad for a future which is just all automated and AI. Not sure it will happen though. In the 1950s they thought we'd all be in flying cars by now...

I really don't think teenagers flipping burgers is going to stop any time soon!

I'm as biased as the writer of that but in a different direction but that sounds utilitarian to me. No joy of learning - just what earns the most money, or is 'useful'.

I can only begin to imagine how bad an AI novel would be!!

And, yes, there will be job losses, not just gains - you can already see this in your local supermarket.

Piggywaspushed · 03/04/2022 08:58

Oh, and did anyone notice we will need online policeMEN ?! Shock

Oblomov22 · 03/04/2022 09:07

AI accounts, as a book keeper AI works well, but it still makes lots of mistakes and I have to correct them.

BlueMarigold · 03/04/2022 09:29

@Piggywaspushed My DD did tick the quiet box. Not exactly sure what it means…

Apparently the Birmingham accommodation is randomly allocated on results day.

Cantonet · 03/04/2022 09:39

There's been huge growth in some professions allied to the mental health industry. Private clinics, counselling for £100 an hour, gender issues/clinics, learning difficulties. Plus the NHS is becoming increasingly privatised or won't be around for much longer. So there will be a huge rise in generalised healthcare & Psychiatric clinics. Whilst surgery in some cases can perhaps be automated successfully i'm not so sure about diagnosis.

Surrey applicant day was beautifully sunny yesterday and very well organised. DS surprised me by answering questions in the interactive lecture we attended & talking a lot to other students. Wasn't keen on sharing a bathroom with anyone and looked in horror at the shared showers yesterday.
As a boarder he gets an en suite room in year 13 , so i think he feels he's done his time in shared bathrooms.
7 hours of driving was exhausting ...

OrangeCinnamonCroissant · 03/04/2022 09:44

@Piggywaspushed

Hmmmm... I do think people are obsessed with AI. It might be the future but the arts and culture are still needed for example.

And what's that rot about high school essays - we all know computers could do it! But the point is humans do them differently from each other, no robotic standards? Americans don't have exams really. So that may be why they perceive that as an 'industry'.

I must say I feel sad for a future which is just all automated and AI. Not sure it will happen though. In the 1950s they thought we'd all be in flying cars by now...

I really don't think teenagers flipping burgers is going to stop any time soon!

I'm as biased as the writer of that but in a different direction but that sounds utilitarian to me. No joy of learning - just what earns the most money, or is 'useful'.

I can only begin to imagine how bad an AI novel would be!!

And, yes, there will be job losses, not just gains - you can already see this in your local supermarket.

I was most interested in the need for Philosophers/ Ethicists etc. Areas of study that are not so popular at the moment.

Yes must be taken with a pinch of salt, I confess to thinking back to 'Tomorrow's World' and some of the crazy claims it made Confused.

Some of the claims in the article do rely on the fact that we may have sensible governments in place. Or ones that allow protest and dissent at least.

Yes online PoliceMEN Hmm this is the problem today /now. Reading the trending post about the Apple Tag one could surmise that there may not have been much input from women in the development of the product...or their voices and opinions were not deemed important enough.

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Piggywaspushed · 03/04/2022 09:47

Sigh. It's the 'default male' sadly. Crash test dummies, kitchen worktop and cupboard heights, hospital scrubs, heart attack and disease diagnoses, wearable tech design... all based on men's size and needs.

Piggywaspushed · 03/04/2022 09:49

Have to admit I didn't even understand the OP of that thread!

I once taught a girl whose Dad was ex MI5. He tracked her every move...

ealingwestmum · 03/04/2022 10:02

@Piggywaspushed

Sigh. It's the 'default male' sadly. Crash test dummies, kitchen worktop and cupboard heights, hospital scrubs, heart attack and disease diagnoses, wearable tech design... all based on men's size and needs.
Totally. And product development based on white skin types: non touch hand sanitisers, oximeter readers etc used during pandemic. Got caught out on the latter…