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DD wants to drop an A Level as she is overwhelmed, won't consider Btec

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micellargin · 05/09/2019 18:52

She just scraped the GCSE entry requirements for her school's 6th form, which was 5 grade 5's. She is not naturally academic and this was a huge effort for her, however she was determined to get in to the 6th form to be with her friends. We ended up paying for tutors etc just to get her those grades, aside from the grade 5's she has a mix of 4's and 3's.

I've always felt vocational would suit her much better, she is absolutely brilliant with people and can be extremely proactive in certain situations. Not academic but absolutely excels in other ways. She has done work experience in a care home and they were so so impressed with her and stated she knew what to do and all of the procedures without even being told. She also enjoyed it as she does want to go into a health and social care sector (right now she is interested in learning disability nursing).

But she has always had her heart set on the school 6th form and A Levels as her route to uni and of course it's her choice. Teacher's etc at school did try and push her towards vocational and away from A Level which aways upset her. However 2 days into Sixth form and she is struggling massively, there has been little to no transition from GCSE to A Level content and she feels completely out of her depth and has no idea what her teachers are talking about. We've had panic attacks and tears, and she is worried as her friends seem to be coping. And teacher's also told her the first few days are the easy part and it's going to get a whole lot worse. She's announced today that she's dropping her maths A Level and just doing her other 2.

I wish she would go to college and do a Btec health and social, she would do so well in that and it's equivilant to 3 A levels and apparently unis prefer vocational training for nursing, but she won't entertain the idea. I think it stems from the fact the her school (an extremely high ranking comp in a very wealthy area, 20% of students picking up 8-9's in at least 5 GCSE's) has lots of very academic students and her friends are in this group, some of them are being pushed for Oxbridge. I think she feels as though she needs to keep up with them but deep down I believe she knows vocational would suit her better. It's just a case of getting her to realize it's in no way inferior.

Is anyone else's DC in a similar position? I know I can't force her to do anything and I'm not going to try but I'm just wondering how you would deal with such a situation? I have tried to say to her that she is more than capable of scoring top grades in Btec, and that will look so much better on a uni application than 2 scraped passes in A Level, but she will not have it. Persoanlly I think she's going to come to this conclusion herself sooner or later, but I don't want her to change her mind half way through the year for obvious reasons.

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Sparklypen · 07/09/2019 14:35

Difficult situation as you say. My dd went to a 11 to 16 school so everyone has to choose the next place to go and some are going quite far and wide.

Sounds like she's the sort of girl who makes friends easily?? Could you sell it to her by saying she will make new friends while still being able to meet up with her old ones.

HugoSpritz · 07/09/2019 18:18

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Ginfordinner · 07/09/2019 18:28

I agree. Your DD's self esteem will plummet massively if she doesn't move to college now.

What does she hope to achieve by staying at school? Struggling for three months, being asked to leave, then kicking her heels until September 2020 to start at college. It's a no brainer. She needs to come to terms with reality now.

And I still think the school was irresponsible allowing her to register for 6th form in the first place.

Chocolatecake12 · 07/09/2019 18:32

The hardest decisions we make in life are usually the bravest too.
My best friend at school way back a million years ago did not do well at her GCSEs at all and left to train on a vocational course while the rest of us stayed at sixth form for A levels. Every weekend we would all meet up - the whole group of original friends. I’m still friends with her now.
What I’m trying to convey is that it’s scary leaving a friendship group but true friends will always be just that.
It sounds as though she has had good advice from you and from school so now it’s down to her to make the choices. Hopefully she’ll decide soon so not to waste any time getting started on the BTEC course. If she leaves it to Christmas she’ll be a year behind her peers and going off to uni a year later than them.

Flyingarcher · 07/09/2019 18:38

Hi. Another annecdote. My son is similar to your daughter, just not really academic and absobloody useless at exams. He did Btec in three subjects. You have to be really on the submission dates and work consistently. They aren't easy.

What your daughter needs to understand is UCAS points. Each qualification comes with points. A Distinction at Btec is worth the same number as an A grade at A level. On an extended Btec - where you do just one subject, if you get three D for each part, that is worth MORE points than three A at A level ( no clue as to why that is bold). There is snobbery about Btec amongst students but son got four unconditional offers and actual scored D*, M, M which gave him 120 points.

She needs to give her head a wobble because a merit is worth the same as a C grade, which it sounds like she's not going to achieve. So the choice is an Extended Btec in one subject or an extended plus one or two subsidiary Btecs which, by the sound of it, will give her what she needs for lovely unis ( and face it, she's not looking at Oxbridge, Durham, Bristol, UCL, Kings) or a couple of Cs at best but most likely lower which will mean a Foundation degree for nursing. College is a great preparation for uni. I know my son's opinions on the drug use and he has had to do far more himself than hand holding school so I feel a bit happier about his maturity levels going to uni.

She will be brilliant so don't let her try and compete with the uber academics - they find A level hard too and the Biology A level is soooo hard now. At my school no one is allowed to take A level Maths unless they got an 8 or 9 at GCSE.

daisypond · 07/09/2019 19:43

I know people who were forced out of A levels and went to college to do Btecs. They ended up at top universities like KCL, Nottingham and Warwick.

Miljah · 07/09/2019 20:45

@micellargin There's nothing amazing about my DS. I was screeching like a deranged banshee at him, yesterday morning, about pulling stuff together to go back to uni. 🙄😊 A shared house, Y2.

Luckily, tho credit to DS and his mate, they Done Good. Nice house! Because it's 'local', nice parents dropped 75% of his kit there, final drop off Thurs.

Miljah · 07/09/2019 21:05

Under the right circumstances, I concur that BTEC is 'easier' than A level.

The biggie for DS1 was that, taking his Computing level 3 BTEC, was that he knew that 'Computing' was all he could do with it, unlike, say, Maths, Economics and Physics 'A' level, which still leads many doors open ( with good grades, mind). But we fail to grasp that it does not necessarily benefit all DC to leave all doors open to all DC.

Him knowing that getting the same UCAS points as A star, x 3; wasn't the same as achieving those A level results.... was invaluable.

DS2, to my (and his 😂) surprise, did way better in his GCSEs. A star AAA, BBBB. The top marks in science and Maths (and art), with a shock A in English Lang (we both assume they marked someone else's in error 😂); despite pressure from sixth form and a bit from me- is absolutely driven to do Graphic Design, at the top unis, so, chose a 2 BTEC equivalent Digital Design course, and a graphic design A level.

He has nailed all 3, top marks. But must now do an Art Foundation year to improve his chances of getting into 'the best' course. In this Art Foundation year, he will be shown how to do, from basics, 99% of what he's already covered in his BTEC.....

Which, like DS1, I said he found Y1 uni relatively easy as he'd already covered it in BTEC!

micellargin · 08/09/2019 17:32

DD just sat me down in the kitchen, she looked very stern so I was quite worried about what she was going to tell me!

She's come to her senses and wants to do Btec now Grin. I did show her uni entry requirements to make her see Btec would help massively there, and also showed her a few replies from this thread. College has a "late enrollment" day on the 12th for students who have changed their mind etc (lessons start on 9th so she'll only miss a few days). She has been extremely quiet all weekend, I think she's been curled up in bed mulling it over but she's made the right decision now.

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MsAwesomeDragon · 08/09/2019 17:42

Good for her! I'm so glad she's made that decision for herself. It's absolutely the best decision for someone with her academic profile, and coming from her it will feel like a much more positive move.

daisypond · 08/09/2019 17:50

Well done, her.

FiveHoursSleep · 08/09/2019 18:54

Oh excellent. I'm so pleased for all of you. I bet she's brilliant!

HugoSpritz · 08/09/2019 19:03

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Miljah · 08/09/2019 20:29

Good that she has managed to take that mature step back and considered her options.

With my DS1, I likened the path from KS1 to degree as being a highway, every step from 4-16, teachers supporting, encouraging, cajoling, tutoring you on your journey on that gilded, well trodden way.

16-18, if you're still meeting the requirements, doing well enough to get you into RG and an accolade for the Sixth Form, ra ra ra.

But if you initially select, but then wander from that well lit, palm strewn path, choosing- or having fewer options other than to select- goat tracks and byways, the road can be rockier, shelter less available, (funding more cut...), comforts less obvious.

But if you manage, against those odds to navigate your way through them, you emerge a stronger, more grown up, resilient person, as you have come to terms with the fact the (occasionally mindless) drift into A levels you will not do that well in- are not for you.

And you might be shocked at how often you end up in exactly the same place as your A level schoolmates.

OhTheRoses · 08/09/2019 20:48

Well done her. The school needs a kick up the backside though. Spectacularly poor show on their part.

vanillaicedtea · 08/09/2019 20:54

I feel like you probably have to let her do this year and just see what comes out at the end of it. If you interfere too much you'll just be the 'bad guy'. If she does struggle and does poorly, she can still go and do a vocational qualification and at least she'd know she tried and gave it her all.

The harsh reality as I'm sure you're aware is 2 A levels really isn't enough to get into a decent university. Most students do 4 AS subjects and drop down to 3 for A2. The fact she's starting with 3 and dropping down to 2 isn't great. But continue to be supportive, and keep reminding her that if it doesn't work out, it's not the end of the world and she can change paths at the end of the year.

vanillaicedtea · 08/09/2019 20:55

I just saw your update, that's great news! Really good that she came to her own conclusion and it was 100% her decision.

Sometimes we just need to try something to know it's not for us. Wish her every success in her new course :)

berlinbabylon · 08/09/2019 20:58

Great new OP. Come back in two years and let us know which fab uni she's got into.

berlinbabylon · 08/09/2019 20:58

news

LooseAtTheSeams · 08/09/2019 21:08

Just read this and relieved she's made the right choice - people like your dd are absolutely gold dust in health and social care!

FrenchyQ · 10/09/2019 08:19

I think she's made the right choice... My daughter felt pressured to stay at school to do a levels with her friends, she really struggled and it took a year to figure out it was wrong for her, she's now just starting her second year btec and is thriving and really looking forward to being able to go to university next year.

berlinbabylon · 11/09/2019 08:06

Don't know if the OP is still reading but DS said that one of his school friends (right from reception) who is going to the same sixth form college (not many of them as it's not the nearest) is doing the Level 3 health and social care BTEC. He doesn't know what she wants to do next.

sandwiches77 · 11/09/2019 18:30

Trying to convince to resit or switch to BTEC but she isn't having any of it. She got an ungraded result in physics and has been kicked off the second year, offered to resit and start year one again. She isn't having any of it, wants to move 6th forms or learn online at home. Tried to have reasoned discussion which ended up in a shouting match.... sigh

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 11/09/2019 18:48

So pleased to read your update. So tomorrow is the big open day/enrolment day? Fingers crossed for you both.

Your DD sounds ace. We just have to hope everyone finds the path that is right for them.

GreatBigNoise · 11/09/2019 23:20

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