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Forces sweethearts

If you have a family member in the Royal Navy, RAF or army, find support from other Mumsnetters here.

Life as a military wife ADVICE

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Twinmummy22 · 10/10/2022 13:39

Hi, I’m going to try and keep it short and sweet. Basically I am a mum to 4 month old twins and my partner is wanting to join the army. He has some army background, also family in the army, knows exactly what he wants to do, knows exactly what it entails etc so I’m not going to go into that. But for me, I need advice on what life is like for the wives and the family side of it. We would all be moving with him into marriage quarters but my issue is we both have massive families that we’re so so so close to and I have a huge amount of support at home so me moving away would be a huge shock! I’d lose the massive family support, I’d miss my whole family, I just don’t think I could move away from them! My twins would also miss out on having the family around us 24/7! This is the only thing actually putting me off going. Also the fact of the twins having to move houses and schools every couple of years and never being able to truly settle. Could I just have some real insight what it’s like as a military wife and raising a family? I want the good, the bad and the ugly!! However, most of what I have heard has been pretty negative but there’s got to be some positives in it considering many people do it and stay? Thank you! X😊

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Twinmummy22 · 20/10/2022 11:57

Duttercup · 19/10/2022 20:40

Cons - pads are generally a dump; army life is a bitchy political nightmare; birthdays, Christmas, births of future children, literally any special occasion or, really, straightforward weekends will be ruined because they do not give a fuck about family life; you won't live near your family; because you become the default parent, work is hard - you'll do every school run, every sick day, every everything, that is hard without a flexible employer.

Pros - maybe you'll get access to a free gym; there might be a nice party at Christmas; you'll likely get subsided holiday clubs; you'll probably make some nice friends who are equally as fucked off as you.

Essentially if you don't like having a husband, it's a great plan because you get the financial benefits of a husband without the bother. If you like having a husband, it's a bad plan.

The other option is to stay where you are and have a weekend husband. Plenty of people do that.

It's probably not what you want to hear. We were Civis and now we're not and it's bullshit. I'm lucky to have extremely flexible employment and earn more than my husband so I live in a nice house nowhere near camp where I've made my own life. But ultimately, I don't have a marriage anymore, our child has a dad who visits sometimes.

This is literally how I thought of it really!!! A lot of people are suggesting staying at home and letting partner come back on weekends but for me that’s not a family or a marriage. I would move wherever he did. That being said, I’m not happy to go really. If I had to make the choice I would have to but right now he will only go if I say I’m 100% happy to x

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Glitterspy · 20/10/2022 12:09

Not on point for the thread but it pisses me off how much sympathy military wives get for their “single mum” lives.

Wives of successful people from all walks of life have to move their lives and kids and operate like single parent families most of the time as well.

Quitelikeit · 20/10/2022 12:15

Op believe me it is not compatible with family life.

don’t do it, you don’t really want to and he is only 25pc of this relationship there is you and the children and the forces way of live will definitely not enhance your life in any way by what you have said.

he had his chance and he has experienced that way of life

it is great for people who come from dreadful backgrounds, or from very poor backgrounds etc it can give them a stability that they’ve never known but in your circumstances there are literally no benefits at all

however your husband must think there are benefits to you and the children - can I ask what he thinks will be good for you guys if he goes in?

ahunf · 20/10/2022 12:17

I've done this for 17 years.

We have never lived with him. He moves around and we stay where I was brought up.

ahunf · 20/10/2022 12:20

I'm also autistic.

Dollydea · 20/10/2022 12:25

Glitterspy · 20/10/2022 12:09

Not on point for the thread but it pisses me off how much sympathy military wives get for their “single mum” lives.

Wives of successful people from all walks of life have to move their lives and kids and operate like single parent families most of the time as well.

What?

Don't think I've ever had an ounce of sympathy for my "single mum" life & I wouldn't want any either.

Bootsandcat · 20/10/2022 12:29

@Glitterspy oh sorry in a military wives thread we forgot to consider the poor footballers wives and the wives of oil chief exec and how difficult life is for them…

military families live on very modest wages (usually can’t afford external help) with husbands who go away for months at the drop of the hat protecting your country…. But sure please let us know how pissed off you are that we get an ounce of sympathy (with no practical support) when in real life all we get are comments like ‘you chose the military lifestyle’

So thanks for spending your time telling us how pissed off you are at us

Sidge · 20/10/2022 12:40

Thankfully he’s not wanting to go into the infantry so won’t be on the front line so a little less risk of that happening!

This is a rather naive statement. It’s not just infantrymen who are at risk of injury and death. OK there are no current risky conflicts that I’m aware of but given the situation with Russia that could change quickly.

I’m ex military and worked in a tri-service environment. Was married to a serviceman for 15 years. We were Navy so luckily he went away and I stayed in our own home with the kids, and had a stable job and they had stable educations. I still found it incredibly challenging, but I had no family support.

Army life is brilliant for the serving member, less brilliant for the partner and children. I think @Ithoughtthiswastherehearsal post was spot on.

redjoker · 20/10/2022 12:53

I stayed put and he worked away. Didn't want the 'patch' life

Ironically we live in a village where 50% of the houses are military rented, but ours isn't. My other half worked away all week at back at weekends, but in reality used to bunk off on a Thursday and leave early Monday

Worked for me, but i love my own space, love being on my own, dont have any family or friends around me (bar a few new Friends since he left the military)

its about you as a person, do you need that bubble of people?

I don't personally, always been a loner. 😛

PinkPlantCase · 20/10/2022 13:10

Ithoughtthiswastherehearsal · 10/10/2022 16:11

Hm. This is an interesting one. I was an army wife for a decade. My honest advice, which may be controversial, is that forces life is a great choice for low income families who want a better life, but not a good choice for couples with more money/options. The balance of pros and cons is different for those with more money.

How to explain. I’ve seen so many young couples who had zero cash and not great exam results who wanted a big family young, and the man joined up and they had four kids, got given a large house and a great social life on tap (the social life is fab!!!) and the man was trained up to achieve impressive things. He gets status, interesting satisfying job, gets to go to the gym for hours during the working day, ok money, she gets good social life and good house for the kids.

But, if you could have afforded a decent home anyway, and are already happy with your social life, and if you want a career, then the forces life is a much worse choice...

In the military they’re very clear on rank. Your husband is the important one and you the wife are the accessory/support. You are kind of treated with respect, but always less respect than him. If you just want to booze and party and look after kids then fine, but if you’re an intelligent ambitious woman, it can become hell. Finding a job is hard, employers don’t like forces wives as they know you’ll quit in 2-3 years (some forces wives even lie to employers to get jobs, pretending not to have a miltary spouse).

For children, I’m afraid it is a crap life. A confident outgoing boy who’s good at football may be ok being moved from school to school, but a shy boy, or a girl (for whom ‘best friend’ is usually more important, and who also has to deal with the ‘mean girls’ who appear in most schools) will struggle. I know many adults who moved around with the forces, and all of them wished they’d had a home in one place.

A lot of army wives are miserable. The happy ones tend to drink heavily.

In your situation, with young twins and supportive family nearby, I think you’d be giving up a lot and he’d be gaining a lot.

Also - and this isn’t mentioned enough - it is bloody stressful for you when husband is away in Afghanistan or wherever and getting bombs lobbed at his base every night for 6 months. Coming home with a healthy body is a lottery. My husband loved being on tour, but I had a lot of nightmares while he was away, and it would have been even harder if we’d had children crying because they miss daddy / getting triggered by news reports, etc.

There’s a reason DH left 🤷‍♀️

Whatever you decide, I wish you the best. If you’re 20 and love to party, want to be a sahm and can’t afford a house, then the forces life may be a fantastic choice for your family. If not… Be very careful what you agree to give up.

The military may be his dream, but there are other good choices he can make - and you get to have dreams too.

I very much a agree with this,

I have lots of friends in the forces or OH’s in the forces and it looks pretty accurate.

I couldn’t be an army wife for so many reasons. I struggle to see how it fosters an equal relationship between husband and wife especially once children are involved.

Rosebud890 · 20/10/2022 13:49

Glitterspy · 20/10/2022 12:09

Not on point for the thread but it pisses me off how much sympathy military wives get for their “single mum” lives.

Wives of successful people from all walks of life have to move their lives and kids and operate like single parent families most of the time as well.

In my experience military partners don't get much sympathy at all. It's normally "you knew what you were signing up to when you married him/her."

Aurora791 · 20/10/2022 13:57

I think that's the crux of it- the equal, or rather unequal relationship between spouses when one serves. My greatest bugbear is that it's me to has to make all the sacrifices, leave my family, my job, raise my children largely solo so that my OH can do his dream job. If that works for you then great, i thought it worked for me but actually now after 10 years, with no end in sight it just drives resentment.

And @Sidge has got it spot on, infantry or not, many roles now carry risk. I spent my military career in tri-service roles, not infantry, and still sadly lost friends in Afghan, and know many others who were irreparably injured, both mentally and physically. This is not an abnormal experience for my peer group, it just happens that there haven't been too many punchy tours going of late so people seem to have forgotten, but if the world is telling us anything at the moment it's that the world can change quickly.

ahunf · 20/10/2022 14:38

I thought people mainly joined to see action.
My dh was always first in. I can never understand why anyone would do that job but someone has too.

PuttingDownRoots · 20/10/2022 14:43

Thankfully, the majority don't see much "action" these days. I say thankfully because there no major conflicts they are involved in (but lots of interesting stuff).

In 15? Years DH has spent 7 months on a war zone... which is more than a lit of his colleagues!

ahunf · 20/10/2022 14:49

In 15 years he's been at war for 7 months?

PuttingDownRoots · 20/10/2022 14:59

ahunf · 20/10/2022 14:49

In 15 years he's been at war for 7 months?

He's also spent over a year on Covid response. He's been on an aid deployment. He's been Rear Ops. Training. Professional Courses. Technical stuff. Currently involved in development of new technology.

The actual War bit is only a small bit of Forces stuff...

herewegoloobyloo · 20/10/2022 15:13

I was a military wife living miles away from family up until my eldest was born. It was overall a good life, albeit at times lonely, up until my child was born and then it all changed. The constant juggling childcare with work whilst he was deployed and spending a fortune on long days at nursery because I could never rely on him to be available for drop offs or pick ups (he was often required to work very flexibly at short notice) was too much. I moved back home and he followed a few years later. Life become much happier and settled for us with me being surrounded by family. Whatever you choose I wish you all the best.

Duttercup · 20/10/2022 15:23

Thankfully, the majority don't see much "action" these days

I wouldn't rely on this looking to the future!

It was overall a good life, albeit at times lonely, up until my child was born

I agree with this really. It was quite fun when we were just married. But it really is a pain in the arse with kids.

And I would say the most sympathy you get is 'oooh, I couldn't do it' which...I mean, fine? Good to know? There was that one time around Afghan that people cared about the military for a bit but that's a distant memory. But also, bore off, it's on the military spouses page not AIBU.

ahunf · 20/10/2022 17:24

I find that mental.

Wars my husbands been in:
Kosovo
Sierra Leone
Iraq x3
Afghanistan x3
Op Shadar.

Jettar · 20/10/2022 18:49

Ex RAF wife here. Personally I really resented living so far away from friends and family. I felt extremely isolated and it shafted me career wise.

This was all before we had children, so although I didn't have that to deal with, I was miserable and developed acute anxiety and depression by the end!

Sorry not what you want to hear but I was extremely glad when he left. You will always play second fiddle to the military because it's not like they can say no to anything!

notyummy · 17/11/2022 11:34

I am ex serving (RAF) and husband still serving. I work for a military charity supporting families.

couple of thoughts:

educational outcomes for forces children are exactly the same as civilian - there is clear evidence for this and DfE tracks the outcomes. If you Google Armed Forces Covenant Annual Report, then it has all the stats on it. Just wanted to correct some wrong information given up thread.

There are definitely challenges and benefits. I suspect I saw a different side as I understood the systems as ex serving myself, but overall I would say it isn’t as bleak as some posters here feel. But in part this has to be down to your partner - he has to be honest with you and give you as much advance notice as possible on what is happening.

Housing is cheap and you should take every opportunity to save the extra towards a house purchase on leaving, or whilst serving that you rent out. Quality is very variable. There is a government Forces Help to Buy scheme that supports you to purchase at excellent rates.
Pension has changed over the years but despite what the naysayers witter on about, it is still pretty much the best pension scheme outside of doctors, high court judges or MPs.

The charity website Forces Families Jibs has 12-16 thousand jobs aimed at military partners from companies who want to support the armed forces. These range from entry level right up to senior managerial.

Duttercup · 17/11/2022 14:26

Forces Families Jobs is no different to any other job board, except there'll be a lot of jobs with the council or Asda. It doesn't, in any way, overcome the challenges of being a working parent with a partner in the Forces.

he has to be honest with you and give you as much advance notice as possible on what is happening.

And lol on this. The Army doesn't care about notice.

(This post brought to you by the tail end of tour and a croupy toddler).

notyummy · 17/11/2022 15:03

Agree that it doesn’t overcome all the challenges - it’s more the point that not all employers are adverse to employing military partners - there are many that want to and will offer guaranteed interviews. That of course doesn’t overcome childcare/deployment issues etc.

my point about partner informing you, is based on my time in the service when I was aware of many serving personnel (funny thing is - always male…) who would use the ‘i have no choice darling, that’s just the way it is’ line at home…..without even asking for things to be done differently at work. Or even because they liked the status quo and didn’t want to ask. So the reality of military service is not always what the person chooses to share at home - sometimes a partner could be offered far more helpful ways of working that support family life/work life balance….but they never have that conversation.

Aurora791 · 17/11/2022 16:37

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Duttercup · 17/11/2022 19:50

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. The wife WhatsApp network is generally strong enough that anyone can check if something is genuinely last minute or someone being a shit husband. I would say the Army being shit to husband being shit ratio is 90:10.

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