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A strategy for fussy eaters that has really worked for us

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macherie · 09/05/2009 12:40

DS2 is 9, and an very fussy eater, the kind who will have a tantrum if the chicken is touching the potatoes, or the toast is too brown, so fairly hardcore fussy.

Until recently is was living on a diet of (lightly) toasted bagels, pasta, chorizo (!) and apple juice.

I'm pretty well informed about nutrition, the rest of the family eats very well, very little processed food, meals cooked from scratch, etc.

I have read all the books and tried all the tricks. Nothing worked and it was making life a misery - he wasn't eating enough, it was affecting his behaviour and impacting on his brother and sister.

So I took him to a psychologist, she gave me a strategy, and it has worked. He is trying new foods, and eating better than he has for years, his behaviour has improved imesurably, and our lives have been changed for the better.

I know we are not the only one's experiencing this so I'm going to post it here in the hope this might help someone else

Firstly you, the parent needs to be in the right frame of mind, as the first few days might be tough (although it was MUCH easier than I anticipated) so don't try this the week before your period

Choose a time when the child is hungriest, probably before dinner.

Choose the food you want the child to try, say, carrot.

Before dinner put a bowl of carrots on the table.

Everyone (we choose to do it as a family, for democratic purposes and not to single out the fussy eater) has to have ONE BITE.
That's all just one bite, of course if they like a bit of encouragement might lead them to try more, but go easy, no pushing.

After the bite, you have dinner, but if you don't take the bite, then no dinner.

The parent must stay CALM, if the child doesn't want to try the carrot "ok, if you don't want to try it, that's your choice, but you can't have dinner if you don't take one bite of carrott"

You must be resolute - no carrot, no dinner. BUT it has only come to this once with us. We had a bit of a stand off over banana, but it was pasta for dinner so he gave in eventually (3 hours later)!

So no taste of carrot, no dinner AND no other food until you have had the bite of carrot, so no supper, no bedtime snack, NOTHING until you have had the bite of carrot. YOU MUST NOT GIVE IN. This is hard but IT WORKS!

Say you are trying carrot for Sunday lunch and he won't eat the carrot, so no lunch, well bring the carrot with you if you're going out later, and no ice cream or treats unless he has ONE BITE of carrot.

The psychologist recommended using one food only for a 10 day period, based on the idea that children may need to try a new food 10 times before they accept it. We found that if he liked something, we would then include it as part of his normal diet, and then moved on to try something else.

3 weeks on he is now eating lots of veggies, a little fruit, dishes like risotto and casserole which he would never have tried before.

Because he is 9, I felt it was better to sit down and explain what we were going to do and why, and perhaps that is why it has worked so well.

I know this is long, but I hope it helps someone

OP posts:
meltedmarsbars · 14/05/2009 14:53

I love the way moondog threw a grenade into this thread and ran away!

BonzoDoodah · 15/05/2009 10:19

rookiemater - my sister mashes all sorts of veg into spuds and does hte same - stands back and smirks at the children who won't touch parsnips, turnip, leek, onion, ... tee hee ... geurilla 'warfeed' at its best.

rookiemater · 15/05/2009 19:01

Hee hee BonzoDoodah, you should also hear my mad chuckles when DS slurps happily on his homemade ice lolly blissfully unaware that all sorts of fruit rejected for being respectively too hairy ( strawberries), funny ( blue berries) and too wet ( melon) have been blitzed and included. It's a war of wills definitely.

Tinker · 15/05/2009 19:13

Of course children can starve themselves to death Sadly predictable comment there moondog.

lottery · 13/12/2009 19:28

been reading avidly as almost at the end of my tether with my DS1 (2.2) and his faddy habits.

you say give them their supper/tea once they have taken 'one bite' but what do you do if they just wont eat at all.. its not just about it being something 'new'. Firm favourites (baked beans, pasta pesto, peas) are often being rejected too...

Should I still give pudding if no first course has been eaten??

Its soul destroying to prepare ANY food (new or tolerated(!)) if its not touched. I'm getting stuck in a rut of producing the same old same old every lunch and tea in the interests of anything going in... help me please !!!!

i wonder what Gina Ford has to say about it all... will go off now and check.

Delphinium · 17/12/2009 11:17

I have been reading this thread with interest - i came online for help with my 5.5 yr old DS. This morning I just lost it with him when he asked for scrambled eggs, which made me delighted as I lovingly prepared it, then he totally refused to eat it. Aaarghh!!! His repertoire of food tolerated has been shrinking rapidly and even the old standbys are being pushed away. he gags and vomits when pushed to try most things, and I am beside myself. All he wants is chocolate milk (in a toddler spout cup) and biscuits and frubes yogurt and I always give in because I am so afraid he will have no nutrients at all. Mealtimes are a nightmare and the whole family is suffering. I have 2 other sons 15 and 16, so his problems may be more to do with his place in the family structure and a bid for power/control. I have very little tolerance with this game, having gone through it all twice before over 10 years ago. The older ones now eat everything with no problem so I know they move on. I agree with lottery it is soul destroying and even when I know its a game its just as hard.
I will try the advice at the start of the thread and try and stay calm, and no more chocolate milk until the other food has been tried. Wish me luck!

TiffanyD · 01/02/2010 16:28

What a great thread! I have had since birth, problems with my daughter (now 2.3) as she has reflux since birth, so has real problems with texture. It's only now we have got to toddler stage meals. Like others, pasta is a winner and was reassured to hear blending meals and then adding them to pasta was OK. I admit too, that I also have to have Cbeebies on to encourage her to eat. And if she doesn't it goes off. I will worry about having the TV on with meals at a later date.
We have got an appointment with feeding nurse in the week, but not sure what she'll do...
The main problem I have is that she stores food in her cheek. For hours at a time. Doctor says it's a defence mechanism so she isn't sick. but it drives me mad.
Small lumps that slide down easily are the way to go for me right now. If anyone has advice for cheek storing, I'd love to hear.

benches · 11/05/2010 15:28

I realise that this thread is from a while back but Iam here desperately searching for a solution to my ds (5.5) extreme food fussiness.
I like the idea of Macherie's approach but have one question that I hope someone can answer. After trying one bite of new or previously liked food do I then serve a meal that he will like (sausages are one of the only dead certs sigh) even if that means making 2 separate meals for him and the rest of us? My younger ds (3) eats anything and enjoys trying new stuff so I think if I made the limited repertoire of meals ds1 would eat then ds2 would become really bored!
Also Anner's approach would almost certainly work for getting him to try new stuff at least once because he loves getting new toys particularly Lego BUT it doesn't seem fair on ds2, who eats well, for his brother to be getting a new bit of lego for doing something that ds2 does willingly. Not sure I want or can afford to be getting them both something new everyday!!

I am willing to try almost anything because it is driving me crazy and causing issues for him going to friends houses too.
I'm sure I didn't cause his fussiness (based on the complete difference in hi little brothers eating) but up till now I have pandered to it because I didn't want him to have food issues.

Complicated business this parenting malarkey!

TIA

PrettyFeckinVacant · 11/05/2010 16:09

Personally, I would never give presents just for trying food. As you say, it is definitely not fair on the child who is eating everything put in front of them.

I agree they should be praised and then given food that they enjoy.

But then that is just my opinion and I dont have any fussy eaters

thomasmad · 21/11/2010 21:35

Have been trying this with DS 5,having tried most other strategies. I really think it is working and has greatly taken the pressure off mealtimes for all involved. I explained the technique but emphasised that it was to help little brother get used to trying new tastes( he is quite a good eater!!) Our eldest has been under a dietician and we have had input from H.V but some of the advice was conflicting. It is early days but we have now introduced two new foods and he has even asked for them on his plate!! Most of all it is a clear and easy strategy which helps mealtimes to become more relaxed again. Thank you macherie.

Dancergirl · 16/02/2011 23:17

I know this is an old thread but I came across it with interest because I have a terribly fussy 8 year old dd. She has an issue with texture and eats no fruit or veg at all, and only v plain food.

Do you think this might work with her? I've seen other threads on here about children having a food phobia. I don't know if this applies to dd or if she is just fussy. She was never a good eater - took to weaning late (8 months) and was sometimes sick after food.

I've had years of stress about it but lately I've put it down to fussiness and she'll grow out of it. Now I'm wondering if it's something deeper and I should seek help....? She had the cord tightly round her neck when she was born - could that be significant?

Liz79 · 18/02/2011 20:39

My 3yo has just become fussy and won't eat any protein. Today she decided she didn't like cheese which was the only thing she would have. She is living on carbs, fruit & some veg. She won't try things, just looks and says I don't like it. She would rather starve than try something she doesn't Like the look of. She is very strong willed and won't give in to chocolate bribes etc. What can we do?

NonnoMum · 18/02/2011 20:46

Might try it with 19 year old DSS.

Like the tip that EVERYONE has to try it. Must take the pressure off.

Trouble is, he has own cash so could just go off a buy a (fruit and veggie-free) pizza.

babyjane67 · 21/02/2011 16:31

have read this with interest as my 2:5dd is a picky eater.she used2eat pretty much anything wen first being weaned but since about12months has gone off lots of foods.
she doesnt like trying any new foods.
doesnt do much fruit or veg
eats
baked beans
chips
wedges
roast pots
waffles
some sweetcorn sometimes!
cherry toms(wont touch the bigger1s even when theyre cut up)
cucumber
celery
lettuce sometimes
roast parsnips(but only cuz she thinks theyre roast pots!)
grapes
apple sometime(but not if its cut up)
raisins
cheese
she willeat other stuff but thats bout it for fruit&veg bless her!
my dp is a fussy eater2since age2.he wont eat any fruit or veg&is very limited to what he will eat all together so am wondering if shes picked it up from him.
i have2grown up dds from differnt dad who have always eaten everything as i do myself so this is bit of a shock for me!lol
she was a late walker due to hypermobility.
dont know if the2 are connected in any way or shes just being a normal toddler!lol

Colourworld · 18/03/2011 17:21

What an interesting and useful thread! I have a kid with food phobia and many people just think that he is spoilt and we are ignorant; DH thinks it is my fault DS is not eating everything :(.
You know some people say that when we were young we had to eat everything because there was so little food. They were constantly hungry ready to eat anything had been served.

It is interesting that many fussy eaters used to eat variety of food when they were toddlers. Mine is also very strong willed. He will not eat even if we promise him a bucket of "gold", even if he is very hungry. I will try the technique with "carrots" and hope it will work for him. I think it would be better to try it when he is on holidays in case it would take him a few hours before he gets his dinner. I would hate it actually but would give it ago.
Thank you very much for starting this thread and wonderful suggestions and also for the understing of the problem.

YourCallIsImportant · 29/03/2011 21:56

Can I post an update to this thread? I read this on Sunday morning, when I was at my wit's end with DS (4.7) and his rapidly shrinking list of food he likes.

I decided to go with Macherie's strategy of putting carrots out for everyone to try (see OP for detail) and making it clear that no carrots = no dinner.

I started yesterday. After about 25 mins of crying, rolling about the floor and shouting, he tasted a tiny bit. Small victory, but he got dinner afterwards.

Today, I did the same again, he cried for about 5 mins and then he bit a big chunk of carrot, chewed it all up and swallowed it.

Woo hoo!

I'll be doing it again tomorrow and will update later.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 22:03

DS1 once went a whole week eating just a slice of bread and butter for his lunch each day - nothing else, that was it. We tried the "don't eat, don't get anything else" method. It was bread and butter as he didn't like sandwiches (he still doesn't really like sandwiches at 10yrs old - but he now eats everything else - so I'll let him ff for liking his sandwich fillings separate from his bread).

It was the worst week of my life, well apart from the "how to get him drinking water or milk" week.........that was just the same, he had about 3oz of water a day, I didn't last the week on that one..

Now - DS2 when he went through a fussy stage - he got it straight away "don't eat it - go hungry".

Mins · 19/10/2012 23:28

Just came across this thread as despairing over 11 year old DS who seems to get more and more fussy by the day! Having read this though I realise he does eat more than some other children. What worries me though is that he often does not eat his packed lunch at school (or maybe eats fruit, yogurt and biscuits but no sandwich) and I think this means that he doesn't focus and gets ratty because he's so hungry. We've always had a rule that if he doesn't eat his main meal he doesn't get any dessert but I must say we're not always strict about that. I have considered stopping buying biscuits and cakes as it seems he just wants to eat this stuff and not his proper meal. Have just had a real stand off over this tonight and really not sure what to do now.What do other people do - do you let your kids have biscuits or cakes if they haven't eaten their main meal? Macherie if you're still reading - loved your idea - I think a similar thing is mentioned in the Calmer Easier Parenting book - may give that a try to try and increase the foods he will eat! Any ideas on this gratefully received!

JuliaFlyte · 20/10/2012 00:00

Hello! I am the OP Grin I've had a few namechanges since, but just noticed this thread in active convos and an really chuffed that it has helped some families over the years.

My fussy eater is still fussy in lots of ways, he is what you might call highly strung! But his eating is not too bad and he is very healthy. He is 12 now and I guess I have relaxed a bit about it all considering he hasn't wasted away! I must say that when he was younger his eating habits were the most stressful aspect of parenting to me, so if anyone is going through this you have my sympathies.

mins my ds eats very little at school. Last year he had a dreadful time with school, he had an awful teacher and ds had to be treated for stress and anxiety. What I have realised is that when he is stressed he totally looses his appetite and just can't eat, so while not ideal i gave him a big cooked breakfast - pancakes, bacon, warm croissants are favourites at the moment - and don't nag about his school lunch. We then have our main meal as soon as he is home from school. This year he has a great teacher, is much more relaxed and is eating more.

Regarding treats, with my ds rules are important. He's very charming and knows I'm a soft touch, so it can be hard to be strict, BUT I find sticking to the rules is important with him. from what you say, I would sit down in the morning with your ds, say this is the rule - no dinner, no treat, that's it. I am very mean and we only have pudding on Sunday. I bake cookies for lunch boxes and a cake on Friday but they must ask first and if I say no, then I mean it. If you have treats in the house, hide them! My ds is very bright and the sort of kid who, if you give him an inch he'll take a mile IYKWIM! If yours is like that then the 'tough love' approach might be worth trying, he needs to know that you mean what you say.

I hope some of that makes sense!

remsby · 20/10/2012 00:19

I think the bowl of cArrots is a great idea. Id be so happy if it worked for dd. What would probably happen is she'd say no, then agree then try to bargain it down to less than one bite then cry and cry. Then lick it then gag. I'd stand my ground but dp couldn't. He'd find her crying too stressful.

JuliaFlyte · 20/10/2012 00:35

Send dp away for the weekend remsby. You have to be really determined to do it, but my ds stubborn as a mule and it worked with him. Ignore the crying, they will try everything to get aroind you!No bargaining down though, one bite is the rule. It is a battle of wills really.

Mins · 20/10/2012 09:12

Julia
Thanks so much for such a quick- response - it's v difficult. I felt so bad and wasn't sure whether I was being mean for having stuck to my guns last night. I know lots of people say food should not be used as a reward but the idea for us of not having a biscuit or whatever unless main meal and fruit has been eaten has usually worked for us. I think I just need to make sure he really understands that is the rule and that's that. With lunch it's a bit more difficult - he's just gone into yr 6 and has taken a while to settle but has a v nice teacher etc. In the last couple of weeks though he has taken to hiding his uneaten sandwich so maybe I just need to stay calm about that. He does usually eat some fruit and yogurt and a couple of biscuits so I guess that keeps him going. He goes through phases with breakfast - sometimes fruit, sometimes different types of bread - at the moment it's bagel with Nutella - could be worse I suppose. Anyway thanks again - this thread has been so helpful!

JuliaFlyte · 20/10/2012 11:23

He is doing well - fruit and yogurt don't pass my son's lips!I'd relax about the school lunch. I have had to change my mindset about food, I used to be much more fussy about healthy eating, and my other two dc are paragons of virtue when it comes to food but with ds I tend to feel any food (within reason) is better than nothing, so nutella on a bagel is fine in my book. As long as he eats one decent meal a day, I think we are doing ok.

I think the 'no treats til you've eaten dinner' is different though and you should stick to your guns on that one. He might say you're the meanest mum in the world but he'll get over it! Good luck Smile

Mins · 21/10/2012 15:19

Hi Julia thanks again. Am just having a little blip as have given DS advance warning of tonights meal - something he has eaten lots of times in the past and used to really enjoy only to be faced with an "I'm not eating that!". He's gone out to cinema with dad so am hoping he'll have got used to the idea by the time he gets back but have told him no treats if you don't eat it. I think it's true what you say about changing your mindset. We are vege and he's fine with that but we do try and eat healthily and most meals are cooked from scratch. I think the reason I'm finding it more difficult now is that he is now refusing to eat some things that he's always eaten previously and so the things he does want to eat are becoming less and less so then what do you do? It seems it comes down to either cooking two separate meals which I do occasionally but certainly don't have the time or inclination to do on a regular basis or that we limit ourselves to his limited menu which is not too appealing either! I guess it's just finding some kind of middle ground really but it's proving quite difficult! Am trying to keep calm..........

JuliaFlyte · 21/10/2012 16:32

That happens here too. Ds will eat a particular meal, then out of the blue he'll decide he doesn't like it. So frustrating. Awful too to be cooking the same small repetoire of meals all the time.

Stick to your guns. That's what's for dinner, if you don't eat it that's fine but you don't get anything else, particularly treats. I find it's best if I stay very matter of fact, act as if I don't care whether he eats it or not. If I get upset or frustrated he knows he's more likely to 'break me' IYKWIM. I'm making poor ds sound awful, he's a sweetie really Grin I often think that this is is a control thing with ds.

Be tough mins it will be so worth it if you can just broaden the range of foods you can all eat