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Foods that shouldn't be messed around with

110 replies

Ginfordinner · 05/02/2021 17:10

I love cooking, I love eating, and am an adventurous cook. I mix and match and am happy to replace an ingredient I dislike, but there are some things I think just don't need to be elaborated on and are just lovely as they are.

Coffee - I don't like my coffee to taste of anything other than coffee. I don't like all the syrups and flavourings that people put in it

Gin - just no to flavoured gin. Flavoured gin is for people who don't like gin Wink

Fruit crumble - the crumble mix just needs flour, sugar and butter and nothing else

Shortbread - again just flour, butter and sugar. The king of biscuits IMO

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MaryIsA · 06/02/2021 09:31

The M&S Moroccan hummus with chickpeas is lovely.

Carbonara is bacon or pancetta and eggs and Parmesan. Anything else is pasta in creamy sauce, lovely but not carbonara.

Ginfordinner · 06/02/2021 10:05

I'm craving a carbonara now Grin
Although, splitting hairs now, I think the cheese is supposed to be Pecorino rather than Parmesan, But I would use either, or even Gran Padano.

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reprehensibleme · 06/02/2021 10:19

All the products which manufacturers add silly things to in an attempt to keep consumers interested - so, sprout or prosecco flavoured crisps, hot cross buns with salted caramel, cheese or chocolate chips, chocolate with ritz crackers or bits of other sweets in them.

SaigonSaigon · 06/02/2021 10:26

Chicken, with all its meaty goodness, is a marvellous diet staple. But DO NOT put it with pasta or especially on a pizza! It's every bit of wrong!

CinnamonStar · 06/02/2021 10:27

I agree with so many of these!

The one that upsets me the most is adding chocolate or (worse) salted caramel to traditional seasonal foods made with dried fruit.

Chocolate in Christmas puddings, mince pies, or hot cross buns is just horrible!

RUOKHon · 06/02/2021 10:33

The M&S Moroccan hummus with chickpeas is lovely

I’m on the fence with Moroccan houmous because it has chickpeas and houmous is chickpeas, so that makes it okay.

reprehensibleme · 06/02/2021 10:34

CinnamonStar, yes, I'd forgotten those - rank. If you don't like christmas pudding, fine, don't eat it - eat chocolate pudding instead. Do not put chocolate in christmas pudding.

lazylinguist · 06/02/2021 10:38

I agree with a lot of these, but definitely not this one: Chocolate should only be eaten as chocolate. Not to flavour other things, so no chocolate ice cream, cake, hot chocolate, chocolate cereal, all just wrong. Shock

Similarly to the cider and gin ones, I will add beer. I want my beer to taste of beer, not grapefruit, forest fruit or mango. Hmm

I'm interested by the 'no chicken in pizza one'. I don't like chicken on pizza either. Is it really a no-no for Italians? I'm fine with various other types of meat on it, so why is chicken a problem?

Intrigued by the 'no chicken with pasta' one too. I definitely do eat chicken with pasta. Is that not supposed to be a thing either?

wewillmeetagain · 06/02/2021 11:13

No cream in cabonara? I didn't even know it was supposed to be made without cream Confused ive always just used a hugh fearnly whittingstall recipe that consists of pancetta, cream, egg and cheese.

Ginfordinner · 06/02/2021 11:28

This is a traditional carbonara recipe. People often add cream to help prevent the egg component turning into scrambled egg, but it isn't traditional, and no self respecting Italian would ever use cream in it.

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Graphista · 06/02/2021 11:29

@Riapia you're the first person I've ever come across who also loves cauliflower raw! Many vegetables that we don't habitually eat raw in this country are WONDERFUL eaten raw. Broccoli is also lovely raw, baby corn, mange tout, peas, I have fond memories of when my parents had grown peas (we didn't grow the same at every house [army brat] except for potatoes but the variety of potatoes would change, they'd grow whatever suited the garden of where we were dependent on soil type, local climate etc, I WISH I were half as capable as them with gardening) of us being set the chore of picking and shelling the pods and maybe half made it as far as the pan? Grin parents would half heartedly tell us off but I suspect they were perfectly happy we were "eating our greens" in this way. To this day I'm not a fan of tinned or frozen peas excepting mushy when the occasion demands with LOTS of vinegar. Good fresh peas are very hard to get hold of.

What are my votes for?

Hot cross buns - I have occasionally tried alternative versions but my heart lies with the original and best, I've even been known to make my own

Caramel - agree, I don't mind salted but it's nigh on impossible to get just plain caramel these days

Whisky - depends on the quality of the whisky in question (note the spelling for starters!) a good single malt aged scotch needs nothing more than a large ice cube and perhaps the tiniest splash of water. If it's a commercial bog standard blend - do what you will. A 12 year old bunnahabhain is my preference - when I can afford it!

Port - not a drink many have now although, I predict a renaissance similar to that which has happened with gin as it's starting to be referenced in cookery journalism. Again a good port needs nothing added but unfortunately it is a very specific taste and if there is a Renaissance I can see it being messed with!

Re flavoured houmous - I like caramelised onion flavour but otherwise yes traditional recipe is best. If you have access to a good deli or traditional Middle Eastern products store then get the "real thing" if you can - totally different to supermarket varieties. It's supposed to be creamy and light not chunky and stodgy!

Chocolate in Christmas puddings, mince pies, or hot cross buns is just horrible!

Omg yes! I love Christmas treats but it's getting increasingly hard to get just NORMAL mince pies and Xmas pud!

If you don't like christmas pudding, fine, don't eat it - eat chocolate pudding instead. Do not put chocolate in christmas pudding

Absolutely!

Mine is a little niche - scottish tablet - I've yet to find one commercially made that actually tastes like it should, especially the texture. It's supposed to be crumbly, extremely sweet and slightly grainy. Commercially made is too smooth (I suspect as they're essentially using huge commercial grade blenders) and too soft it's far more like a (bad!) fudge! And recently they're starting to appear in "flavoured" varieties which is plain wrong! It's a perfect confection as it is. I really ought to make my own the problem with that is you can't make a single portion really and I'd scoff the lot! A friend pops in an occasional bar to me, bought from a local place but it's hand made and sold through the shop not commercially made. I try to be good and just eat a little at a time, not always good on the self discipline here Blush

Regarding flavouring I see similar happening to scottish macaroon bars (NOT to be confused with either macaron or almond macaroon cakes/biscuits. This is a type of sweet made with mashed potatoes (yes honestly!) icing sugar made into a bar and coated with dark chocolate and toasted dessicated coconut.) again home made is best. My gran made the best but sadly left us without passing on the recipe. My mum makes a lovely one too. Takes a LOT of patience though which I'm afraid I lack. But yes it's now appearing in "flavoured" forms which is an abomination!

reprehensibleme · 06/02/2021 11:40

Yes, irn bru tablet proves the existence of Satan.

Ginfordinner · 06/02/2021 11:41

@Graphista I also love raw cauliflower. I love the crunch and slight pepperiness it adds to salads. I also love raw mange tout, raw, freshly podded young peas and baby corn. I can't recall trying raw broccoli, but I have just seen a raw broccoli slaw being made on Saturday Kitchen, and I'm sure I would like that.

I just love fresh, crunchy foods.

I'm with you on Scottish tablet. To me that is what traditional home made fudge is like. It has to be grainy. A lot of commercial fudge is almost toffee like and wrong.

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ThisIsNotARealAvo · 06/02/2021 11:42

Macaroni cheese. No crab, no bacon, no tomatoes just macaroni and plain cheese sauce.

Tallybeebloom · 06/02/2021 12:07

I'm interested by the 'no chicken in pizza one'. I don't like chicken on pizza either. Is it really a no-no for Italians? I'm fine with various other types of meat on it, so why is chicken a problem?

It's too dry and the textures don't work together for a start. My dad is Italian and I spent most of my childhood there and I've never once been offered chicken on a pizza or in pasta or seen it on any menu in a restaurant, they just don't do it.

AlfonsoTheSensible · 06/02/2021 12:09

People often add cream to help prevent the egg component turning into scrambled egg, but it isn't traditional, and no self respecting Italian would ever use cream in it.

I used to live in Italy and learnt to make pasta carbonara with panna cotta, pancetta, black pepper (the carbonara bit) and parmesan.

EventuallyDeleted · 06/02/2021 12:12

Coffee - milk yes, all other flavours and sugar, no.

Hot chocolate - just chocolate please you can keep your flavours.

Gin - sloe homemade yes, everything else no. Same for vodka.

Fruit crumble - I do use oats (I blitz the lot in the food processor so you can't really tell) but my pet hate is cinnamon in apple crumble or pie.

Shortbread - agree, I was offered some flavoured with lavender once, it was rank.

Fudge - plain, vanilla or at a push chocolate only. I also agree about Scottish tablet, homemade crumbly and no flavours please.

Caramel - no salt please

Hot Cross Buns - I agree, although the M&S apple ones are nice . Definite no to chocolate, chees, chilli etc.

Profiteroles - chocolate sauce and cream inside please. I was served some that had brandy in the cream once, ruined them.

Also agree with Christmas pudding and mince pies, no chocolate please.

Cheese with fruit in is a no from me too, I like just about any cheese and don't mind herbs, garlic etc but apricots, cranberries etc are a no.

AlCalavicci · 06/02/2021 12:37

Oh I agree with a lot of them ,
Crumble - dont faff about with the topping and rhubarb crumble should be tart / sharp with chunks not sweet pinkish gloop
Coffee - black no sugar for me but I accept that a lot of people like milk and sugar but give over with all the extra flavourings.

Same goes for hot chocolate , cocoa ( pref green and blacks mixed with milk and nothing else someone once bought me a fancy mix pack of different flavoured hot chocolate , mint , toffee , Caramel etc they were all way to overpowering , the mint one was like mouthwash !

Cider - Apple only ! all the fruit mix ones are like drinking syrup .

Fruit should never be seen in any food ( perhaps with the exception of lemon in Moroccan chicken dishes ) but on pizza , in curry , in cheese nope
I agree with the fad for deconstructed food , no , I want my pie to have a top and bottom crust , and my cheese cake to be layered .
I went to a pub a few years ago and my cheese cake came on a plate about 12 inches wide , with a spoon full of biscuit base , a sploge of topping and a smear of fruit topping that looked like it had been applied with a 1 inch paint brush

Friendless00 · 06/02/2021 12:42

Yes to Gin! Don’t mess with it. Don’t put lemonade in it. Don’t put glitter and stuff in it.

Graphista · 06/02/2021 12:44

Yes, irn bru tablet proves the existence of Satan

Yes!

Irn bru WITH tablet ok, flavouring tablet? Wrong wrong wrong!

Op yes raw veggies are fab! My dad made his own coleslaw (he's incapacitated these days) and potato salad when we had bbqs or summer parties at home and he'd use 3 or 4 different types of cabbage (often harvested that day!) in the coleslaw and fresh (again often harvested that day) spring onions and chives in the potato salad. Once you've had such freshly made options shop bought really tastes inferior. Imo shop bought. Coleslaw has WAY too much dressing (and it's not meant to be just plain thick mayo either)

Yes people seem to think fudge is meant to be super smooth it's not it's mean to have some texture to it

Lavender shortbread?! Wtf!

I am fairly confident that it was no scot came up with that adulterated mess!

I've mentioned my mum and grans baking prowess on here before but they could/can in mums case all throw together without scales, measuring jugs or spoons (I actually had to explain to my mother what measuring spoons were when she saw them in my kitchen a few years back Blush) pretty much any traditional baked item you care to mention. Sponge cakes, scones, biscuits and of course shortbread! They honestly would all be ShockHmm at the very idea of lavender shortbread!

Mum is still somewhat bemused that I still need to look up a recipe for shortbread when I'm making some as I need reminded of proportions I can never remember! Because they all just worked on instinct/sight! If it looked too dry they'd add more butter, too wet more flour, too smooth more sugar if you asked them for a recipe I'm not sure they could give amounts!

I think it's meant to be roughly 2/3 amount of butter to flour? And then the other 1/3 is sugar, I do remember my mum being befuddled when I once said I couldn't make any as I'd no caster sugar in "why do you need caster sugar just use normal sugar it's fine!" And of course she was right! In fact it was better!

I've tried to bake as they did/do but I lack the skill I need to know the ingredients proportions at least and to measure out cos my measuring without implements is wildly inaccurate

Graphista · 06/02/2021 12:47

rhubarb crumble should be tart / sharp with chunks not sweet pinkish gloop

Yes!

We grew rhubarb sometimes and would eat it raw dipped in sugar (that first lick to dip in the sugar so the sugar sticks was like sucking lemons!)

QueenPawPaws · 06/02/2021 12:55

@LApprentiSorcier YES! I don't want healthy cheese with fruit in
I saw salted caramel cheese once and actually gasped with outrage, I thought the BLT cheese was bad.Mustard cheese is acceptable and actually lovely

AlCalavicci · 06/02/2021 13:17

@Graphista Me too from my granddads garden , this must be why we like our rhubarb to taste of . . . . rhubarb , who would of thought of such a notion Confused Grin

EventuallyDeleted · 06/02/2021 13:23

I rely on the Be-Ro book for all my basic baking needs. We were taught at school to remember all the ratios for fat/flour/sugar for cake, pastry etc but I've forgotten them all and have latterly gone over to metric, it only really worked with imperial.

I agree about fruit in main meals, I don't like it with the exception of cranberry sauce and turkey.

I had some cheese with wholegrain mustard in it once which was lovely. Y Fenni it was called.