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I've actually stopped caring about food

329 replies

Twiglett · 26/04/2007 16:25

I really have

I'm not sure I ever cared particularly that much

but then that's from a background of me enjoying cooking so have quite a good and varied diet of fresh food and lots of fruit and vegbut honestly couldn't tell you last time I read a label

it just seems so nonsensical to worry about it

and I'm quite happy for them to have biscuits or crisps or sweets too or a pizza from Iceland (woodburned) or ice-creams like Fab (which I'm sure were invented by the antithesis of MN foodies)

anybody care to join me in this dim and dingy corner of Mumsnet where most other posters believe we're going straight to hell?

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Oblomov · 27/04/2007 14:49

I disgree with welliemum and aitch.

I am going over old ground here, the points I am about to make have been made throughout the thread, but I feel I have to comment , to answer welliemums and aitch latest posts.

Welliemum says "It's pointless to value being laid-back above being strict" - but every single thread on mn, dicuss's and looks at these issues - so I don't think thats a valid point- we are here to discuss all our differences, different ways of doing things.

Besides, we all know that, as has been said, food threads are generally very contentious. And one poster said she'd never even seens a "I don't care" type food thread before - so lets atleast accept that this is not the norm, just people voicing a view, that is generally gagged and pushed under the carpet.

There are zillions of food threads, dicussing the best that can be achieved. And for once in a lifetime, there is an alternative thread, to say, who cares, we do this....

And what an uproar if has caused.

And I don't see it as "laid- back-parenting competitiveness" , as wellie described it.

"i'm shocked that this has neve occurred to the 'lazyarse' crew that it's equally unpleasant to crow about being so chilled out " - said aitch.
When I said I never realised - what I meant was, that I never realised that Greenys insecurities were the reason. I couldn't have been expected to know, until she told us in her post.

Everyones now saying sorry.
Sorry for what ?
I'm not sorry.
I don't anything to apologise for.

AitchTwoOh · 27/04/2007 18:09

i've not seen anyone saying sorry, where's that all going on? i've read your previous post and i don't disagree with any of it, but i don't really understand this latest one tbh. what's to disagree with? it is pleasant to crow about being laid back? i'm not understanding your point, genuinely.

SmileysPeoples · 27/04/2007 18:14

Why is it 'crowing' about being laid back but reasonable to 'talk' about your commitment to healthy eating.

My earlier point is, neither is wrong, but I recognise how each can tap into others insecurities.

Both standpoints are valid though and should be allowed to be discussed. it's just understanding why that may hit others insecuries makes poeple more senstive to that.

A little understanding goes a long way.

AitchTwoOh · 27/04/2007 18:23

oh i think that twig's OP was lighthearted, smiley, as i've already said, and i think that 95% of the posters responded in that way, i saw very little crowing on it. h
i object equally to healthy eaters who imo over-react and demonise something like a gregg's sausage roll once in a while as to the 'chill out fgs, you're so anal' brigade. my point, which i find myself making yet again, is that as someone who isn't allied with either extreme i am surprised that neither camp appears to be completely aware of the mutual effect that they have on each other.
imo the 'healthy brigade' is more aware, just cos they take more of a pasting on it more regularly so my comments were more directed at the 'lazyarse and proud' brigade who imo are more likely to sneer when given half a chance to do so. look at the way someone name-hcanged to attack franny on this thread, it was ridiculous behaviour.

AitchTwoOh · 27/04/2007 18:26

actually, it appears that you mis-quoted me on your last post, smileyspeople. i didn't say it was 'reasonable to 'talk' about a commitment to healthy eating'. you made that up. i'm a bit pissed off about that actually as it completely mis-represented what i said.

"completely agree, smileyspeople, but i'm shocked that this has neve occurred to the 'lazyarse' crew that it's equally unpleasant to crow about being so chilled out as it is to condemn others for eating a frankfurter. not that i see much actual condemning going on, but clearly that's how it's taken."

Twiglett · 27/04/2007 18:39

I don't actually think I'm a lazy-arse

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AitchTwoOh · 27/04/2007 18:43

i really wasn't talking about you. i've spoken up for you already a number of times on here, oh marmitey one...

AitchTwoOh · 27/04/2007 18:43

i think my issue is more with all the PFB crap, tbh.

Twiglett · 27/04/2007 18:46

I know .. I forgot to grin on my harrumph post

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SmileysPeoples · 27/04/2007 18:46

It wasn't meant to be a direct quote Aitch more that annoying inverted comma fingers in the air type thing to highlihgt a point or phrase.

AitchTwoOh · 27/04/2007 18:48

okay, well it really looked like a quote to me smiley so i couldn't let it stand.
and right back atcha, twig.

PrincessPeaHead · 27/04/2007 18:52

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I don't know WHY anyone feels personally insulted by anyone else's way of dealing with anything. Or how, in fact, anyone could get upset by anything somebody anonymous says to them on a chat room.

I really don't.

You lot need to develop a lot more self-belief and significantly thicker skins, it is quite scary how much you all care what people think of you.

Thus endeth the peahead lesson. Go on, call me names, I know you want to and it will make you feel better (and I just won't care )

Aloha · 27/04/2007 18:53

You are a poo-poo head, PPH!

Twiglett · 27/04/2007 18:55

I've actually stopped caring about this thread

but PrincessPeaHead .. you're just a common guttersnipe and we all know it

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Aloha · 27/04/2007 18:55

Jumped up office girl, so I've heard.

Califrau · 27/04/2007 18:55

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LadyTophamHatt · 27/04/2007 19:02

coming to this one late but we had McD's for dinner so you ca all see I'm not an MN foodie!!

Mercy · 27/04/2007 19:05

I came across this in the GOSH childcare book a while ago

"More problems are caused by battles and rigid rules about food than are ever caused by food itself. Food provides your child with the energy to grow and to function.

It is not a religion or a test of your love".

Nuff said, I reckon.

welliemum · 27/04/2007 19:56

I stand by what I said about "It's pointless to value being laid-back above being strict", and I would also add that "It's pointless to value being strict above being laid-back" - and I think it's an important issue for MN too, even if I'm not expressing myself very well.

As I see it, it's deeply boring and pointless and rude to criticise someone else's parenting style.

But it's very interesting and useful to argue about what you actually do, and the MN debates I enjoy the most are when people who do things differently from me are explaining why. I've had my mind changed on an issue more than once on that sort of thread.

I don't feel I really belong in a "strict about food" camp. For example, I'm pretty strict about sweets for my (small) children and I have reasons for that which I could discuss. But I'm completely laid-back about balancing the diet of a child under 1 - more than anyone else I know IRL - and if anyone questions that, I can say why. And I don't worry about what my children eat at parties even though I think a lot of party food aimed at children is vile. I think organic food is over-hyped and mostly I don't buy it.

Sorry, boring navel-gazing, but what I mean is, there's a vast fence on MN between healthy-eaters and Greggs-eaters and it's completely imaginary. I mean, it's a metaphorical fence, but it's an imaginary metaphorical fence.

I don't like being made to feel that I have to choose one or other side of a fence, because I think that for most issues, the middle ground is the place to be.

So this "I do this.... me too.... me too.... me tooo.... " kind of drawing-lines-in-the-sand thing - even when it's a joke - really kills discussion, because it stops being about the issues and becomes a massive self-justification exercise. People feel obliged to be on a side when there aren't truly any sides.

Will be amazed if anyone has got this far, but it's been nice rambling away to myself - good way to spend a night feed!

Mud · 27/04/2007 20:03

have read this from the start and its realy amusing. But I'll jsut answer the last post because everythign else has been dealt with over and oaver again it seems.

I ahve to say that its not "I do this" that kills debate. Its the "how dare you say I do this I find that insulting of the fact that I do that" that kills discussion.

thought htis was a joke, read from beginning to end and realised it is a joke but the joke is on htose who take it so seriously

pointydog · 27/04/2007 20:15

This thread went well, didn't it. Sorry I missed it.

PippiLangstrump · 27/04/2007 21:10

well said Mud!!

Mercy · 27/04/2007 21:14

pointydog - rofl!!!!!!!!!

welliemum · 27/04/2007 21:25

Oh mud, I agree with you. That's what I meant, but I'm a bit thick that early in the morning.

This thread, which I know is a joke, wasn't very funny to me because of the "we're in our corner, yah boo to the rest" way it went.

I'd say exactly the same about a judging thread, except I wouldn't need to because a millioin other people would say it first.

Londonmamma · 27/04/2007 21:26

Perhaps some mums who are slightly obsessive about their children's diet are actually quite conflicted about their own diet/weight? For example, if you are not comfortable around chocolate you might say you won't have any in the house because it's unhealthy for the children, but really it's because you're scared you'll eat it all.

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