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Now that processed meats have been deemed carcinogenic by the World Health Agency...

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Whoknewitcouldbeso · 23/10/2015 08:12

Can I ask if you will be allowing your kids to eat sausages, ham, burgers etc? They are also warming about red meat in general so I can no longer feel virtuous when I cook homemade lasagne or shepherds pie.

My son loves sausages, I tend to buy the 98% pork ones but again, now thinking that I'm hurting him by letting him have sausages at all.

What are other people giving their children for dinner? I feel like I'm royally fucking up nowadays although I did make fresh cod goujons in a tempura batter two nights ago and he thought they were great. I must get at least one brownie point for the fish!

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LikeASoulWithoutAMind · 26/10/2015 15:43

Non-mainstream nutritionists tend to have their own agenda ime. And often lack proper evidence or sometimes even qualifications to back up their claims.

It is frustrating that nutritional advice changes over time, I do agree. But I don't think that this is symptomatic of some huge conspiracy, more that the human body is so incredibly complex. There is still so much more to learn. In the meantime, moderation and plenty of vegetables seems like a fairly pragmatic (if not very newsworthy) stance to take to me.

captainfarrell · 26/10/2015 15:44

They've just announced that eating too many vegetables and no meat and no alcohol causes an extreme lack of enjoyment in life. What are we going to do?? Wink

claig · 26/10/2015 15:48

'There is still so much more to learn. In the meantime, moderation and plenty of vegetables seems like a fairly pragmatic (if not very newsworthy) stance to take to me.'

I agree. Take what they say with a pinch of salt, another thing they say is not good for us (which makes me wonder how good it might be).

OurBlanche · 26/10/2015 15:50

Ah! Supernatural organisations, I see Grin

PigletJohn · 26/10/2015 15:53

what are "bodies above their heads?"

Do you mean the supranational food companies that sell bacon, hot dogs and corn syrup?

OurBlanche · 26/10/2015 15:54

Or the poltergeists Smile

claig · 26/10/2015 15:58

'Do you mean the supranational food companies'

Nope. The UN, WHO etc

PigletJohn · 26/10/2015 16:19

hahahahaha!

You seriously think that Russia, Cambodia, Indonesia, Denmark, Holland, the US, Iran, Israel and Sweden actually get together and agree to push a false story about bacon?

hahahahahaha!

claig · 26/10/2015 16:23

No, most of the sensible ones ignore it just like we do, but that doesn't stop the WHO promoting it on the media.

OurBlanche · 26/10/2015 16:24

Now, now, pigletjohn. I am sure that Denmark and Israel would be able to have some lovely business conversations over a bacon butty or two Grin

fuzzpig · 26/10/2015 16:44

I cut down a few years ago, we don't avoid anything completely but we would generally only get either sausages or bacon or ham or whatever, whereas before we might have bought all of those every week.

I don't really see a problem with red meat though, if it's not processed then it's a natural food. We don't eat a lot of it but that's more due to expense.

fuzzpig · 26/10/2015 16:57

never mind, I see the thread has moved on... :o

HesterShaw · 26/10/2015 17:36

I think the point is that these foods can be carcinogenic if you eat an excessive amount of them i.e. every day but surely everyone knew that anyway?

Everything in moderation and all that.

Don't stop eating them for goodness sake!

HesterShaw · 26/10/2015 17:37

Ah yes, the thread has indeed moved on.

Never mind :o

NorthernLurker · 26/10/2015 17:46

My mother has been saying this for over thirty years. She would only ever let us eats bacon with something with vitamin C like such as orange juice or tomatoes to counteract the carcinogens Hmm.

In terms of red meat though, if you think Quorn or turkey mince from a supermarket is better for you than minced beef bought direct from the producer or through a local shop then you're making a mistake.

fuzzpig · 26/10/2015 17:46
simplydivine05 · 26/10/2015 19:23

This doesn't change how we eat.

We try to avoid processed anything, whether it's meat or anything else. We eat a bit of everything in this house. We're all healthy, not overweight, rarely get ill, so don't see the problem. We get all our meat from a local butcher, some days it comes straight off the carcass in front of us. We know where the carcass has come from too. Red meat is rich in iron and that is very much required in diet. And surely everyone knows processed anything is bad for you?!

SoOverItNow · 26/10/2015 19:35

Ffs. Just eat food. Live life. Stop worrying!

rogueantimatter · 26/10/2015 19:49

Northern - I've heard that eating a good source of vitamin C with processed meat is supposed to help protect from possible damage too!

claig · 26/10/2015 21:46

They have put processed meat up there near asbestos and tobacco as a cancer risk and they are putting out the message that red meat is possibly a cancer risk too. This is s a long slow advertising mind-changing education process that has been pushed over years and will continue to be pushed. The aim is to reduce meat consumption and livestock cultivation and lots of different arguments are likely to be used to achieve it over time.

Here is a good article by Joanna Blythman back in 2013 when a similar tale was being pushed

"I'll carry on eating bangers, says industry's biggest critic, who rubbishes claims that processed meats could kill us providing they are eaten in moderation

People have eaten bacon and sausages for centuries without ill effect

This is least reliable kind of scientific study - other factors could be involved
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The Mediterranean diet is famously said to be the most healthy in the world, yet traditional cured meats are regularly eaten there. The Italians are renowned for their devotion to antipasti, including such delights as salami and Parma ham, but such a diet does them nothing but good, partly because it is accompanied by generous helpings of salad and olives.

The same is true of Spain, where jamon is an integral part of the national diet. In France, there is even a type of butcher’s shop devoted to selling nothing but processed meats, the much-loved charcuterie, while the Germans consume far more cured pork than we do in Britain.

A further serious effect of the report is that it has been widely interpreted as sweeping condemnation of all types of meat-eating. Warnings about the deadliness of sausages, burgers and bacon are more ammunition in a simplistic campaign against all rearing and consumption of livestock.

As one campaigner put it yesterday in response to the report: ‘This is what we are saying. Let’s lower the number of animals we are producing. We need to reduce the cattle culture in this country.’

But the wholesale abandonment of meat and a switch to vegetarianism would cause real damage to the nation’s health. For, whatever the antis might say, meat provides so many of the nutrients that are absolutely essential to our health. A slice of ham from a free-range pig is a great source of iron, B vitamins and high-quality proteins that repair the body’s tissues. Meat, even in processed form, is a far healthier, more lasting means of satisfying the appetite than carbohydrates such as pasta and bread.

A protein-laden breakfast of eggs, bacon and sausages provides you with many more life-sustaining nutrients than a typical breakfast cereal or a couple of slices of toast.

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2289946/Ill-carry-eating-bangers-says-industrys-biggest-critic-Joanna-Blythman-claims-processed-meats-harmless-providing-eaten-moderation.html

claig · 26/10/2015 21:49

'The Italians are renowned for their devotion to antipasti, including such delights as salami and Parma ham'

That reminds me, I've got some lovely mortadella in the fridge.

PigletJohn · 26/10/2015 23:05

claig Mon 26-Oct-15 21:46:55
They have put processed meat up there near asbestos and tobacco as a cancer risk

Permit me to correct you.

"Estimates suggest 34,000 deaths from cancer every year could be down to diets high in processed meat.

That is in contrast to one million deaths from cancer caused by smoking and 600,000 attributed to alcohol each year."

Where did you get your (mis)information from?

PigletJohn · 26/10/2015 23:10

Additionally, since you drag in Asbestos:

Deaths from mesothelioma (Mesothelioma register 2013)
2538

Deaths from asbestosis without mention of mesothelioma (Asbestosis register 2012)
464

*In addition it is estimated that there are about as many asbestos-related lung cancer deaths each year as there are mesothelioma deaths.

I will guess that you have not worked in shipbuilding or an asbestos mine, in which case excessive bacon sandwiches might be of more concern.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/10/2015 23:23

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claig · 26/10/2015 23:24

'Where did you get your (mis)information from?'

No I agree with you. Of course the real figures don't match up to their scare stories, that goes without saying.

But I have been listening to the news today on TV and the puppets have been pumping out the message that processed meat is up there with (laughingly) asbestos and tobacco as a risk.

They do that because they hope they will catch some people in their web and make them stop eating processed meat and make them worry about red meat.

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