Now that processed meats have been deemed carcinogenic by the World Health Agency...

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Can I ask if you will be allowing your kids to eat sausages, ham, burgers etc? They are also warming about red meat in general so I can no longer feel virtuous when I cook homemade lasagne or shepherds pie.

My son loves sausages, I tend to buy the 98% pork ones but again, now thinking that I'm hurting him by letting him have sausages at all.

What are other people giving their children for dinner? I feel like I'm royally fucking up nowadays although I did make fresh cod goujons in a tempura batter two nights ago and he thought they were great. I must get at least one brownie point for the fish!

Yes vegetables are healthy but they don't have the protein, zinc and iron that meat has which gives extra strength to people. That is why they don't want you eating meat, that is why they push the lie that meat is bad for you when it is the paleo diet that humans ate before grain etc.

'but also the environmental impact'

The environmental impact is their con cover story to convince you as wealth as the cancer scares. They know they can't stop the world eating meat with their cancer scares so they will get their puppets to restrict meat intake based on their environmental scam.

Yes millions are vegetarian but many more millions eat meat and those are the ones that they want to weaken by removing meat from their diets.

'You also keep conflating the 'green agenda' with the WHO which is a bit...odd. The 'green agenda' are extremely anti-GMO yet you suggested that they are pro?'

The green agenda has been coopted into the anti meat crusade of the WHO and all the rest of them, they all tell us with their luvvies that cow's flatulence creates methane that "harms the planet" and that livestock are "harming the planet". Just because some vegetarians don't understand their real game, doesn't mean that they don't know what they are doing by trying to restrict the intake of meat to millions of people on the planet.

They have their top think tanks pumping out stuff about climate change and meat consumption to use as a cover story so that their puppet politicians can use that as an explanation and spin for the people, but their top think tanks say nothing about GM food. The green ones do, but not their top ones, and they only listen to the green ones on what suits them like the climate scam.

And the way their top think tanks and puppet politicians will sell GM food to us (which they know whey they are really feeding us that) is because they will say they love us and want to "save the planet" for us

"Will Frankenfood Save the Planet?

Over the next half century genetic engineering could feed humanity and solve a raft of environmental ills—if only environmentalists would let it"

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/10/will-frankenfood-save-the-planet/302806/

in exactly the same way their green puppets sell us nuclear power by telling us it helps "save the planet" by reducing carbon emissions.

Practically everything they have told us on diet has been wrong.

They told us eggs were bad, butter was bad, saturated fat was bad, red meat was bad and vegetables were great. Were they just wrong or was it deliberate? When will they tell us that their scientists can make healthier meat from stem cells in the lab and will people believe that?

The science of saturated fat: A big fat surprise about nutrition?

"The science linking saturated fats to heart disease and other health issues has never been sound. Nina Teicholz looks at how governments started advising incorrectly on diets"

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/the-science-of-saturated-fat-a-big-fat-surprise-about-nutrition-9692121.html

'Is Lab-Grown Meat Good for Us?

No saturated fat, no heme iron, no growth hormone—cultured meat seems to have many potential benefits.'

www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/08/is-lab-grown-meat-good-for-us/278778/

They think we are stupid and will fall for what their puppets and think tanks say.

Don't believe them, however many luvvies they use to sell their message.

I find it a little odd that you've melded the myriad of competing issues and causes into ... one "sinister cabal of vegetable growers poisoning the hotdogs of research subjects", as Anyone puts it so eloquently.

I wonder why conspiracy theorists don't grasp that mashing arbitrary factlets together into a 'they're all in it together' plot twist does not make a rational, logical story.

I do believe that there's lots people don't know, and yes, forces at work that tend to favor a few individuals profit versus the 'greater good'. But I don't believe there's one nearly sewn up conspiracy that manages to remain united, secret and all powerful somehow uniting the disparate sources, media and events in the greatest puppet show on earth. It's just not credible. People are just not that skilled or aligned to pull this off. Motive I can believe, but ability, nah.

And now it's clear my child is poorly and am up late with too much time on my hands, but really, why the linguistics tells?

The language used instantly marks out conspiracy theorists with these types of agendas in a way that signals 'you can disengage now, I'm one of them', when actually if they tried to communicate smaller yet evidence based arguments, using normal vocabulary and phrasing, drawn from any of the huge variety of cimmunication styles available (eg business, academia, journalists, documentary & factual TV production, blogger opinion pieces etc etc etc) people might listen more and be persuaded.

Instead it's a well worn path of dark mutterings and tantalizing hints of a secret only clever / thinking people know. And then the liberal smattering of half-facts & confusion, plus references to global coordinated cover ups, throw in derogatory language depicting people as mindless cattle. Probably adding some gentle sneering at the ignorance of the unenlightened when they fail to follow the fuzzy logic to the same conclusion. Sprinkle on misattribution of cause and effect, over reaching what can be proved or indicated by statistics, and a general fervant belief that if you shout long enough and hard enough it will transmogrify from hypotheses to fact. Then come the massive leaps of faith that tie all these snippets of facts, supposition and opinion into a massive web of staggering proportion, and voila a conspiracy theory is born.

Occasionally entertaining. But puzzling it all tends to follow the same guidelines.

' It's just not credible. People are just not that skilled or aligned to pull this off. Motive I can believe, but ability, nah. '

When their motive is great enough and of enough importance, they use all their media means and money to promote it. They have the ability to promote it because they dominate the medium that controls the message.

'Instead it's a well worn path of dark mutterings and tantalizing hints of a secret only clever / thinking people know'

Just because you don't understand it and think it is clever, doesn't mean it isn't true.

Comments on the press this week alone

"Sitting is the new smoking"
"Processed meat is the new smoking"

I'd guess if you sit around a lot eating lots of burgers and sausages usually fried as well it's not good for you. It's hardly rocket science.

"classic English breakfast?"

Yummy.

Bacon, sausage, eggs, beans, tomatoes, black pudding, bread and butter, cup of tea; that's quite a delicious variety of essential goodness right there on the plate first thing in the morning unless the cafe fries it in lard.

MadeMan, it turns out that our grandparents were right and that even the lard was good.

A good book to read is 'Trick or Treat' by Barry Groves on the old-time diet and the Weston-Price type diet

'Why the British fry-up is the healthiest breakfast of all...

Researchers have discovered the perfect reason to tuck into a full English breakfast, and the best news that dieters have had in years.

For they found that starting the morning with a fatty meal may boost the metabolism for the rest of the day and prime the body to burn fat more efficiently."

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1263778/Why-British-fry-healthiest-breakfast-.html

Burning fat and developing bowel cancer can happen simultaneously!

Claig must come from a long line of butchers.

And clearly spends far too much time in the sinister recesses below the line on the Daily Mail website.

I am one of those people who eats very little meat and dairy because of the impact on climate change, first and foremost. Health benefits too (MIL died of stomach cancer and had a very poor diet). I'm also aware I'm in a teeny, weeny minority.

I'm an exceptionally rational person and have made my own mind up on this, and I'm the only one in my family who eats likes this.

Now must get back to my organic muesli and almond milk.

Ok, don't understand the sausages. My son loves them and is picky. Why are sausages bad but not other meats? I worked in a butchers years ago and as far as i recall it was just meat and fat mostly.

Sausages are delicious but they are usuually lower quality meat and contain some crap like scrapings of bone and gristle etc

It's the preservatives in sausage that are bad for you.

This is the ingredients list for a widely available supermarket brand:

Ingredients
Pork (42%),
Pork Fat (10%),
Rusk (Wheat),
Potato Starch,
Vegetable Protein,
Less than 2%: Salt, Flavourings, Stabilisers: Diphosphates, Guar Gum; Antioxidants: E300 & E307,
Preservative: Sodium Metabisulphite; Colour: Cochineal.

I buy Helen Brownings organic sausages for the DC and their ingredients are 96% pork, sea salt, various organic herbs and spices, but they still include maltodextrin and dextrose and sodium citrate.

Yeah yikes I'd never by sausages with that little amount of pork in them

It's not the quality of the meat, it's the preserving process, sadly.

We have sausages once a month now and veggie sausages more often. The dc don't seem to mind too much!

Does it depend on the sausages though, i used to work in a butchers. The butcher would use the left over bits/ cuttings with the fat and seasonings etc - no scraping off the floor, adding all the bone and gristle. i didn't think he was adding in all that other stuff like sulphides. Or is that more mass produced factory sausages.

I'm vegan and 24 weeks pregnant, I will be raising my child vegan too. I'm vegan for the ethics, but closely followed by health and environmental reasons.

There's an insane amount of stuff on Netflix/Youtube if you're interested, just google Earthlings, Cowspiracy, Vegucated, Forks over Knives as a starting point.

If you think it’s wrong to hurt animals, you already believe in veganism.

www.abolitionistvegansociety.org/why-veganism

If these reports were true there would be no one in Ireland older than 55.

You mean like my dad and his two brothers who have all died of colorectal/bowel cancer? Processed meat and well done burnt red meat were his staples. My oldest DS is a processed meat lover, it's hard to get him to eat anything else but I am very aware of the links (and have been for at least 10 years now) of processed meats and bowel cancer and try to minimise his intake without denying him completely. I am also aware that there is a genetic link so the two combined makes me very worried for him.

I had sausages for dinner last night.
I guess it's another case of everything in moderation, the problem is it would be quite easy to eat processed meat every day it's so ubiquitous, sliced ham has become a staple in our fridge but I think I'll stop buying it now and save processed meat for when it's really deliciously worth it (I'm thinking bacon sandwiches and carbonaras).
I've found that chilli is much much more delicious with stewing beef than mince anyway.

I am going to ditch the Ham, I have wondered for a while about it, it seems so far removed from a piece of pork, I feel very guilty as my DD aged 3 loves Ham, my doing of course, when she about 18 months old she used to demand a snack of "Cheese and Ham".

is Minced Beef very bad? I am doing Slimming World and eat Syn free cottage pie and Pasta Bolognaise (5% fate beef mince) weekly.

My family is Irish and my MIL pushes a cooked breakfast onto you like its a healthy thing, she was horrified that I wouldn't let her feed DD with cheap nasty sausages daily.

I am going to look out for Organic Sausages without preservatives.

Claig why do you think that the Government are trying to make meat eaters weaker?

They're talking about people who have bacon/sausages etc every day or have a steak every day. If you have these things a couple of times a week you will be fine.

Seriously don't worry. Every week there's a new bloody thing to worry about.

As some other posters have said, it's the nitrites and sulphites that are the baddies.

Also smoked foods I'm afraid.

Bowel cancer is presenting in younger and younger people. It's approximately half as frequent in Britain as breast cancer.

Meat takes a long time to go through your digestive system. It does have iron, zinc and protein but the fact of it slowly stewing away in your bowel increases the opportunity of harmful flora and fauna colonising the gut.

My understanding is that expert nutritionists tend to eat only very good quality red meat in small quantities, infrequently.