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Are there any vegan MNetters?

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dinny · 15/01/2006 11:59

Have been veggie since I was 13 (well, except a chicken lapse when pg/bfing ds) and really want to become a proper vegan. Anyone have any tips of getting started/any good books? Thanks.

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Toothache · 15/01/2006 12:01

I'm curious as to why you want to become a vegan??

I can understand not wanting to eat meat.... but what exactly does being a vegan involve? Its always fascinated me. I've got veggie friends, but don't know any vegans....

Just curious.

dinny · 15/01/2006 12:06

no animal products whatsoever, Toothache.

I feel so guilty eating/using anything that has caused the pain and suffering of a living creature.

have been feeling I should become vegan for ages but really want to take the plunge now. not sure how difficult it will be really - I'm v used to being veggie so maybe it won't be too hard.

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Toothache · 15/01/2006 12:22

Dinny - So that would include eggs and milk? What suffering is there to free-range hens though. If you buy free range organic eggs then the chickens have a fab life. And milk too.... when I've worked on farms the cows are most certainly not bothered about getting milked and other than that they are out in fields.....
no suffering at all.

Just adding another stint to it.

dinny · 15/01/2006 12:30

many free-range chickens live in pretyy crowded conditions, though supppose if you choose the supplier well it's different.

milk - aren't calves taken away from their mothers early so we can drink their milk?

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WigWamBam · 15/01/2006 12:33

It's more about the exploitation of the animals for food though - calves being removed from their mothers, hens laying eggs for human convenience rather than to rear chickens - and often in worse conditions than you would expect. Even free-range doesn't always mean that the animals are really allowed to roam free.

Personal choice though.

lucy5 · 15/01/2006 12:43

I was a vegan for about 6 months after having been a vege for about 12 years. It was incredibley difficult although not impossible. It is very difficult to eat out or turn up anywhere unannounced and be fed, it's extremely difficult on foreign holidays. People also see you as sticking your head above the parapit (sp) and scrutinise everything you eat, drink and wear. To be honest I missed chocolate too much. In the end I carried on being a vege for a toatl of 17 years. I now eat fish and the occasional bit of meat, thats what living in Spain does for you. It's even hard to be vege here. I suppose I was commited enough.

Jasnem · 15/01/2006 12:48

I was vegan between the ages of 17 and 29, but started to drink milk when pregnant with my first child. The only things I found difficult were eating out ( although that is easier now), and missing chocolate - but some plain choc is ok. The vegan socity has useful information, but if you've been veggie for a while and don't live on chips and cheese at the moment it isn't that big a step IME.

Jasnem · 15/01/2006 12:48

I was vegan between the ages of 17 and 29, but started to drink milk when pregnant with my first child. The only things I found difficult were eating out ( although that is easier now), and missing chocolate - but some plain choc is ok. The vegan socity has useful information, but if you've been veggie for a while and don't live on chips and cheese at the moment it isn't that big a step IME.

lucy5 · 15/01/2006 12:48

Google the vegan society, they were very helpful when I did it.

lucy5 · 15/01/2006 12:50

oops should read "wasn't commited enough"

FrannytheQuinoaEater · 15/01/2006 12:58

Dinny - I was a vegan but now just a veggie. I loved it but did have problems with getting B12 - not because the vegan diet necessarily lacks B12 but because I seem to have some bizarre thing where I don't absorb it very well.

I missed cheese terribly and that is the main reason I am not vegan now. I still don't eat eggs except in pre-prepared things. We all drink soya milk as I prefer the taste and also because it brings the level of dairy produce we buy down to a minimal amount. Do eat a lot of butter, though .

We still eat vegan meals most days as a family and have vegan friends round quite often. I prefer it in a lot of ways.

I think Peter Cox's books are quite good for nutrition. The health problems are really over reported and it is not hard to get good nutrition as long as you are eating a wide range of food and do a little basic homework. I would advise you to do it gradually and omit one thing at a time - ie this week find a soya / rice / oat milk that you like and stop buying cow's milk. Next week cut out eggs.

Make sure you have lots of fresh fruit in the house and interesting vegetables. Try to plan meals around vegan foods ie grains, vegetables, pulses, beans, seeds, nuts, fruits rather than thinking "Hmm, macaroni cheese. How can I make that as a vegan dish."

It always used to make me laugh when people said "Vegan? But what do you eat?" Erm, probably a much wider range of foods than most people in this country who just eat meat, milk and wheat for the vast majority of their meals.

Good luck, I hope you succeed, but be prepared for people to get very funny about it. It seems awfully threatening and most people just don't want to know about the animal welfare issues. Sorry if I have rambled on but I hope this helps a bit.

dinny · 15/01/2006 13:15

Thanks for all your posts. Franny - good advice there. I suppose I already eat a lot of vegan things like bean/veg casseroles and salads with nuts/seeds etc. Main thing is probably milk . Will experiment with rice/soya milk. Wonder if soya milk has improved since I last tried it in about 1991!

I'd love the kids to be at least veggie but it's something dh and I argue a lot about (he is an avid meat eater ) To compromise we buy minimal meat and fish and always organic and a Freedom Food.

Can you give me an idea of a typical day's food when you were vegan?

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Blu · 15/01/2006 13:44

Dinny - I am an omnivore, but have lived with a close friend who was vegan. I got used to cooking and thinking of vegan meals, and didn't find it too problematic at all. It was just a shift of mindset to think in a diffferent style of cooking and shopping. There are some v good vegan cookbooks, and lots of Indian food is vegan, for e.g.

Dark choc is fabulously vegan.

The only thing I couldn't stand to share in a household way was vegan margarine, mayonnaise, ice-cream and soya milk, as I didn't like them.

He found it hard when out, grabbing a sandwich etc, although sandwich bars, esp italian, can usually offer tomato, avocado and artichoke heart sandwiches, etc.

Also, he didn't use silk or leather products, or honey. That was sometimes tricky.

Toothache - I think it's the 'by-products' of free-range eggs and milk that are the issue - male chicks killed at birth, male calves slaughtered in dairy herds etc.

Blu · 15/01/2006 13:46

I thought almond milk was almost bearable. Not quite, but better than soya or rice.

That vegan ice cream was almost ok, too. I think it's swedish.

NomDePlume · 15/01/2006 13:55

A few vegan menu ideas here

bettythebuilder · 15/01/2006 14:03

Swedish Glace ice cream. You can't tell it from the 'real' thing. Comes in loads of flavours, too.

Jasnem · 15/01/2006 14:09

Not all dark chocolate is vegan - you soon learn what's ok though. I used to be able to tell you what E numbers were vegan (if you want to go that far the vegetarian society used to do a hand book with all that information in it.)

It's worth trying lots of different types of soya milks, as they are not all the same. The first time I tried it I threw it away as I thought it had gone off- couldn't believe it was supposed to taste like that!

notasheep · 15/01/2006 14:11

Booja Booja chocolate truffles are wonderful

FrannytheQuinoaEater · 15/01/2006 14:49

Definitely keep trying lots of different milks until you find one that you like. My favourite is Sojasun organic with calcium, which has quite a sweet taste. It is very much a personal thing.

A typical days meals would have been something like:

-muesli with nuts, seeds and dried fruit (check shop bought mueslis for milk additives)
-pitta bread with hummus and salad OR baked beans on toast OR peanut butter sandwich
-Veg stew with kidney beans and dumplings OR Lentil dhal with veg korma and rice OR stir fried tofu with veg, beansprouts and noodles
-Swedish glace ice cream for a treat (it is yum, we still like it) OR homemade cake made with vegan marg instead of butter, and ground flaxseed instead of egg (still use this if vegans coming round - tastes great)
-fruit for snacks

We eat more or less the same as that now except a couple of times a week we would have pasta with cheese on, and quorn once or twice as dp is actually a meat eater and misses the taste otherwise.

Interesting to see people's ideas about veganism. For me it was not wanting to exploit animals in any way - I don't believe they are here for our convenience. The reality of dairy farming is quite brutal, and yes the male calves are removed from their mothers and slaughtered so that we can drink cow's milk. The life of a free range chicken is not much fun either, unless they are clucking round in someone's back garden. I think we all have to do the best we can at any one time in our life and for me, as I say, I am not committed enough to be vegan at the moment, but hats off to you dinny.

motherinferior · 15/01/2006 14:51

I seem to remember a friend has a rather nice carrot cake recipe which is vegan.

twirlaround · 15/01/2006 15:27

Free range eggs no good as chicken is still being exploited, and has been bred into being an unatural animal

Mummyvicky · 16/01/2006 11:29

Im vegan- and so is the whole family. Hubby and I have been vegan for 10 years. The vegan society is a great resource and have vegan starter hampers where they sent a hamper of vegan food out to try.
We have never had any problems, although DS1 is wanting milk ay school, and we have said its fine to have it if he wants ( turns out he hates the taste! )
CAT me if theres anything I can help you with, a great website for vegan sweets, and food is www.veganstore.co.uk also veganvillage.co.uk is a great site too.
Good Luck !

notasheep · 16/01/2006 22:48

I lost too much weight when a vegan

dinny · 17/01/2006 19:54

Thank you for all these posts. Have been out and brought Alpro (I think it's called that), anyway, it's a soya milk. Was thinking today that my usual diet is almost vegan throughout the day (excet for milk) - the big change will be the evening meal.

dh is annoyingly really pissed off am thinking of not eating any dairy products.

also, was flicking through Gillian McKeith's recipe book and all her stuff is basically vegan.

Thanks again, everyone.

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ernest · 31/01/2006 13:08

good luck to you. I was vegan for 12 years but gave up when weaned ds1.