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Puzzling over the logic(?) over Downton housing

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MsAmerica · 23/09/2025 01:56

This is very specific, so I didn't want it to get lost in the long general thread.

Two things baffled me:

1.The seeming acceptance of the necessity of selling Downton House, the London mansion. Why couldn't they simply rent it out for a few years - apparently a time-honored solution since at least the 18th century, as we see in Austen?

2.Lord/Lady Grantham moving to the dower house. Why? I could understand it if Lady Mary were solidly married and Lord Grantham were were doddering, but that wasn't the case. Surely no one in their right minds would think that Lady Mary would be happier left alone with no adult except servants?

These both entirely baffle me. Sensible, to you? To me, illogical and bad plotting.

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MsAmerica · 06/10/2025 02:26

ladydiggins · 02/10/2025 18:19

One puzzle (since day one) has been that we only see tiny bits of what is supposed to be a massive house..

Went to see the film with DD (20) and we both enjoyed it immensely - though we both think this IS NOT THE END!!

(She was by far the youngest in the cinema audience by some decades too. I fitted into the demographic perfectly, however.)

Funny about the demographic. A friend asked if her husband, who did not watch the TV show, would like and understand it. I said that there's not much plot and he'd certainly understand it, but it wouldn't be much fun because the pleasure is really just to return to briefly wallow in the memories.

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MsAmerica · 06/10/2025 02:28

latetothefisting · 02/10/2025 18:21

I agree

It seems mad to sell the only house in London, but keep multiple large homes in the same village empty or with only one or two people living in them but needing a full compliment of staff each, when they'd been happy sharing all this time. It's not like they'd be on top of each other, Mary could still have had her own wing!

As well as the Abbey and the Dower House with only 1 and 2 adults respectively living there full time, they seem to have Crawley House standing completely empty since Isobel got married, plus the random manor near Durham they considered moving to in S3 on (one of the several 😁) occasions they nearly lost all their money (which tbf I think they did rent out). Surely it would make more sense to sell one or more of them off!

They could have achieved the same 'Mary is the boss now,' storyline by Robert and Cora deciding to take a long trip to America with her brother or something, and thus driving off into the sunset while she's left alone in the house with the ghosts....

Oh, my goodness! Someone agrees with me?

Actually, I hadn't even thought about the Crawley house.

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MsAmerica · 06/10/2025 02:33

latetothefisting · 04/10/2025 17:24

well yeah, if a whole plotline centres around selling one house because you need the money then it's a bit ridiculous to split up your (already small) household into a further property, thus voiding most of the benefit of the sale of the first one.

they can't take a cook or butler or similar from Downton because there isn't a spare one to take! Same with housemaids, gardeners etc - the house and gardens don't magically get smaller because half the inhabitants moved out, they'd still need the same amount of staff to maintain them. The only ones that could go were bates and anna, other than them they'd still need the full complement of staff the Dowager had when she was living there.

They don't have to pay anything for Dowager house other than the staff.
Um...how about food, electricity, gas/coal and water bills, rates (i.e. pre council tax), upkeep and maintenance etc.?

Not having a mortgage doesn't mean everything else came free in 1930 any more than it does now...

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Right, I thought of those other costs, too.

And it suddenly occurs to me: Can you imagine how strange, how claustrophobic it would seem for Lord and Lady G to suddenly switch from the enormous grand dining room to the smaller Dower one? It would likely either feel humiliating or like taking a step into one's grave.

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MsAmerica · 06/10/2025 02:37

ThisRealFinch · 05/10/2025 17:06

I think you’re right that both points feel a bit shaky when measured against historical practice. Renting out London houses was absolutely common among the aristocracy — many families would let their townhouses when not in use, especially if money was tight. It would’ve been a logical plot option, but I suspect Fellowes wanted the drama of a “final farewell” rather than a pragmatic solution.
As for the dower house: traditionally, it was meant for the dowager countess after the heir married, but you’re spot on that it makes little sense for Robert and Cora to move there prematurely. Dramatically, it clears space for Mary to be “in charge” of the estate, but narratively it does feel forced — especially since Mary wasn’t in a secure marriage at the time.
So I’d say both decisions are less about strict social logic and more about storytelling needs: giving Mary independence and giving the show a sense of “moving on,” even if it bends period accuracy.

Well, I'll go further and say that not only is it an accommodation to story-telling needs - it's an accommodation to the greed of filmmakers trying to squeeze every last penny out of the saga.

(I might not be so cynical if there had been more of a plot.)

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MsAmerica · 06/10/2025 02:24

I'm just not sure that the needed the money immediately, and there wouldn't have been anything wrong with trying to rent the London house for a couple of years to see if it worked out.

I, alas, didn't love it, and didn't think it brought it nicely to an end. But I knew I'd have to see it.

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Although it was a time when the idea of a season in London was ending in its former glory and they really didn't need a large place there any more.

35pEnergyDrink · 06/10/2025 13:30

MsAmerica · 06/10/2025 02:33

Right, I thought of those other costs, too.

And it suddenly occurs to me: Can you imagine how strange, how claustrophobic it would seem for Lord and Lady G to suddenly switch from the enormous grand dining room to the smaller Dower one? It would likely either feel humiliating or like taking a step into one's grave.

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I thought it was a “modern” take on the tradition of the the dowager duchess moving into the dower house when her husband pre-deceases her; showing that the family has moved forward/developed and they are prepared to do it in advance and together!

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